Your account is three days old and references understanding this sub for a long time and has posted numerous negative opinions of me without strong rationale.
Learn something from the dozen plus pro-Codesmith accounts that have done this and gotten suspended, including the official Team Codesmith account.
You might not like me, but I make reasonable critical arguments and people come at me with wild opinions stated as facts. If you don't like my arguments, counter them with strong arguments and not loud opinions, and accept discussion about them.
Significant Wing, no matter who they are, has been here consistently two years and whether you like what they say or not, has some history to judge who they are.
Accounts with no context coming out of nowhere with strong opinions deserve zero trust. Trust must be earned and has nothing to do with how much you like someone.
I think they are confusing other people's behavior with mine. I don't think I disrupted any events intentionally and the one time they didn't like my comment I was banned and left.
Repeated disruptions? I think that's not accurate. If you think that because Codesmith told you that and you have a negative impression of me, then those comments could be defamatory.
The titles are irrelevant, the problem happens when people are entering roles that the company expects you to have experience for and the lack of experience causes performance issues against those expectations.
Whether the candidate misrepresented themselves or the company took a chance on you because of potential, it's absolutely absurd that Codesmith suggests people with no experience aim for senior roles. They should present it as an option, but not an expectation that you should be getting a role requiring experience.
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Yeah there seems to be a lot of off advice here. Both going for frontend roles if you have backend experience and telling people to go to senior roles they are not qualified for.
The latter I've talked about for a while, they are sending lemmings off a cliff with that advice and I believe it's impacted their enrollment and morale.
You might not like my style but critical thinking is important for engineers. Others apply it was well and those are good discussions, but if people are coming here with holes in their arguments (which everyone including myself will have) and they respond defensively or with even worse rebuttals then those responses won't stand up.
Is it not possible that everything I'm writing about Codesmith is strong arguments and there just aren't strong counter arguments? I've heard of a number of staff who left/leaving/plan on leaving this week (4).
It might be sad and come across doom and gloom, but I don't have a goal with, I just want us to have really nuanced and detailed critical arguments.
When confronted with a strong argument, like data backed analysis of the resumes of most grads show an average of 11 months of experience on their 3 week long projects, and the response is "well what ab…
To clarify, I'm concerned about any program that is trying to TEACH Gen AI stuff right now. I did a survey of top tech engineers and around 90% of people said they don't look for Gen AI skills in engineers. So I'm not sure how you can invest in a curriculum yet, or know what to teach. What I'm seeing is that anyone with broad engineering skills is expected to learn how to use Gen AI without the need for explicit training.
Formation doesn't offer any kind of mentorship, practice with Gen AI at this time. We will add it when companies interview for it.
We USE AI to build our platform, make mentorship better AND more efficient. We use AI to help you figure out what to practice next, and to schedule hundreds of dynamic sessions every week. Very different!
Wow there is a lot of just like blatantly wrong facts there.
There are a few people who don't like Codesmith and maybe that's them but you should make sure you have evidence of what you are saying because if you don't you are defaming me with facts that are wrong.
1. I have a written statement from the person in that blog post that another prospective Codemsith student told him about Formation, not a team member.
2. 2 year fixation on Codesmith, yes that's true.
3. I mention Codemsith a lot because there are these extremely long threads of back and forth with these anonymous Codesmith people who are mostly suspended from Reddit now. My proactive commentary leans Codesmith but is much broader.
4. I never hired a private investigator or anyone to look into Codesmith. That is weird and not me.
5. I have two main spreadsheets that I created. One for OSP tracking, one for Alumni. I hav…
I'm not deleting or auto collapsing your posts. You have an extremely negative karma score (which is computed by Reddit, not moderators) and everyone with that negative of a score is treated the same by Crowd Control. Not overriding these filters does not mean we are deleting stuff.
I explained that you can increase your score by engaging positively and not doing vote manipulation.
Are you requesting to be treated unfairly? You are asking to override all of the stuff we have in place for everyone else that is in the same boat (which is a lot of people every day).
If you don't accept that, I'm happy to hop on a call and walk you through it all to prove that to you. If you keep pushing back and ignoring my statements and insisting I'm lying, that's on you do take responsibility for.
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1. That link to that video has ONE SLIDE on predictive analysi…
Why do you consider me personally your competitor or Formation your competitor? We don't consider you a competitor and I've stated that for like over 2 years now.
Not only that, but I've tried to explain in numerous ways why we aren't your competitor, in writing, in detail, to your leadership, which you haven't refuted and just keep calling Formation your competitor passive aggressively.
Are you seeing a bunch of people applying to Codesmith and asking about Formation? And if so, were those people OFFICIALLY ACCEPTED BY FORMATION or they just mentioned hearing about it or wanting to go there in the future?
I really want to sort this out, all of the alumni that have come to Formation that have talked to me about this (which is probably bias sample) have asked me to try to make sort this out with you because Formation is an amazing complement to Codesmith. These people have fully been i…
My understanding is they exclude people hired by Codesmith. I'm very confident people hired short term as TAs (fellows) are excluded as they are not considered placements for CIRR. I'm reasonably confident that it excludes instructors. But if it did, the number of instructors hired in that time is 2 and wouldn't impact this data.
These are **first offers only!**, based on the date reported though and not when they started the job. I asked for clarification on that because someone who graduated in 2022 and got a job end of 2023 and submitted the form in August 2024 would count.... and two alumni reported being promoted to update or re-submit their data in August.
COMMENTARY/UPDATE: Codesmith updated their accepted stats today, 168 offers accepted between March and August 2024 VS 53 in March and April alone. Average base salary in those ranges down to $117K from $119K.
Disclosure: I'm presenting my analysis as my personal opinions and commentary on the data provided. If anything commented is incorrect, I'm happy to make corrections and updates.
Codesmith updated their recent offer stats sometime today and I spent 15 mins throwing together my top of mind thoughts below.
Source: [Previous](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_CPn4TtghvS4UDvkZ9pD6G4JYItLODd3/view) and [New](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1d7IGbYdtYPoI5Jbr4OxPwVgKyXhMTpI1/view?__hstc=109711322.0e322342ee14294aff502ad66630cdf2.1651003824655.1725406413979.1725413866740.756&__hssc=109711322.8.1725413866740&__hsfp=3801953514&hsCtaTracking=5fa5766f-6dea-46ee-b25d-ecf7276ecee9%7Ceed80937-e…
This is right in my wheel house and I can give my broad personal advice. Note, disclosure that my company is in the interview prep bucket of expensive options for helping prepare: Formation, Interview Kickstart, Pathrise. I'm given this answer with my personal advice.
Step 0:
- I agree, I'm effectively self-taught because I taught myself programming at a fairly young age, and taught myself all practical programming. My degree was a broad engineering degree and I did a ton of CS courses that helped me in my career, but getting the basics too a lot of grit. Re-learning the SAME THINGS like 5 times over many years before things started to click one by one. Making a lot of mistakes and banging my head against the wall, only to find a one line erorr.
Step 1:
- I recommend JavaScript equally now too
Step 2:
- Following Step 0, it takes time and I recommend learning and relearning DS&A m…
This post was blocked because of a "reputation risk", "may be from a spammer or someone likely to break rules".
I think this is because your community rating is extremely negative right now.
If you want to share this in the community as original content (not a reshare) accompanied with an explanation of how it's relevant to the community in a non promotional way, then I will approve it (subject to removal from other mods that might disagree)
I haven't seen a concrete trend myself. The instructors haven't worked in industry (only a handful ever had but all but one were return Codemsith alumni) and Codesmith's codebase can best be described as a big OSP project and in some cases, some OSP projects have had more people touching their code than the Codesmith codebase. Based on the problems with some of the largest OSP projects which have their history plain for all to see, you can imagine the problems with Codesmith's codebase.
I haven't seen Codesmith's codebase but just heard casually from people who worked on it and from people who saw this system design talk and approached me about it.
If you've talked to alumni about the big OSPs you'll hear about how each new group tends to fail to understand the existing codebase and instead just builds something new. For example, a project containing 2 primary UI frameworks because a n…
Do you have an opinion or facts on if this was a response from Will to Codemsith employees and specifically fellows, having a hard time placing? Or was the priority building a brand around Codesmith's engineering prowess to make the entire program seem more legit and like it has 50 engineers building it?
Parallels was another thing that started that has been dead for months now. OSLabs haven't done anything for a while and stuff in their web page seems like vaporware (6 months fellowship?)
Yeah some.other things to add;
1. Instructors are paid well and paid. I've heard second hand that salaries have gone down recently for new hires (not existing hires) and that a TA is paid like minimum wage, a mentor is paid like an intern/apprentice, instructor like entry level, and lead instructor like mid level. (FAANG levels).
2. Instructors are given a lot of responsibility. It has been expressed to me that the program leadership hovers a bit to make sure you do all your work and cover anything extra needed, but you are ultimately critical to the success of a cohort. A cohort has very few staff and each one is critical in my opinion. So it could be a rewarding job.
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This is a quote from one of their leaders from November 2023 in a public talk: "we don't ever ever ever endorse lying, exaggerating, there is nothing other than pure authenticity when you come out of codesmith in terms of applying to jobs what you'll say in interviews what's on your resume everything will be 100% truthful, alright, so stuff you read other people say, it's a weird thing"
I'm fairly familiar with this and can offer my 2 cents, in no particular order:
1. I heard that instructors, mentors, and fellows (TAs) were listing Codesmith as their recent job, but it was becoming less effective, because people recognized it as a bootcamp and it makes sense that people would perceive "Senior Software Engineer at Codesmith" as really just a bootcamp STUDENT embellishing their resume. It wasn't made clear to me who's idea this was, but someone came up with the idea of creating a "CS Engineering" brand that these people could list to differentiate their REAL jobs from coming across like a student.
2. In all fairness, I think that's reasonable because people actually had jobs with Codesmith that they should get credit for. My opinion is the need for "CS Engineering" as a brand is a very clear sign of the problems of appearing to work at a bootcamp and how you get writte…
I'm talking to Jeff (OP) tomorrow. I haven't talked much with him before (both public and private), but this is what normal people do to talk about ideas and get to know each other. I have no idea if we agree or disagree and it doesn't matter. We definitely don't 100% agree on everything but we can talk and respect each other.
Everyone has a story and journey that can at worst - teach you something, and at best - inspire you.
I'm sure there are reasons Will Sentance and/or Codesmith behave the way they to criticism. There are many personality disorders outside of one's control that could explain that, amongst other things. At best there's an inspiring story and at worst something to learn from, but shutting someone down (unless you feel your personal safety is immediately at risk) is the equivalent of throwing away that learning opportunity and you might even be throwing aware an inspi…
I dispute almost all of those "facts", but I don't care personally if they get posted and I need to evaluate everything super fairly and consistently as a mod or I don't deserve the position.
Personal opinion rant: Codesmith has dug a really deep whole for themselves with their own community and it's entirely on them. The more they go after me with statements I can prove are false, the deeper the hole. The more their placements are terrible and they gaslight alumni, the deeper the hole. The more they post in their slack about me (who RECOMMENDED PEOPLE IN 1-1 CHATS GO TO CODESMITH UNTIL THEIR RECENT LAYOFF ROUND), the deeper the hole. When an alumni, who I recommended go to Codesmith, actually went, and then is pissed off because they didn't feel like they liked it, and that alumni sees what Codesmith is saying about me to their alumni in slack, that absolutely **DESTROYS** their credi…
Where are you getting your information from?
1. We had one Bootcamp Grad Open House and it wasn't that popular so we didn't do it again.
2. This subreddit isn't a "massive funnel", and what makes you think that? We put all of Reddit traffic under 'socials' and we don't even distinguish this sub because it's not a significant source of people.
If you are quite senior, become a mentor on an online platform. Formation, Interview Kickstart, Pathrise, Interviewingio, Hello Interview. You have absolutely zero risk, and you can do as much mentorship as you want with whoever you want and get paid a reasonable amount to live off of if you spend all your time doing it.
If you aren't super experienced and want to start a bootcamp, I don't have other options. You might be the most gifted teacher in the world but it will be hard for you to help junior people navigate the industry without experience too.
I would also point out that my team (but not me) does cold outreach (searching LinkedIn and using various tools and sources to find potential fits). Even when we required less experience, as far as I know, we have always trying to target bootcamp GRADS not people earlier in their journey.
If we haven't been able to reach out to every PLACED bootcamp grad from all bootcamps, including all placed Codesmith grads, at this point then we aren't doing a good job in our outreach and connecting with our target market.
We did have a few problems with having to train new recruiters on our team specifically to identify Codesmith OSP projects NOT as "placed bootcamp grads" because there were a number cases of mistakes. This is actually one of the reasons Codesmith even got on my radar to begin with, it was messing with out funnel because a few dozen people were applying and interviewing saying the…
I'm going to ask Brian how he heard about us, it wasn't me reaching out and it will sure be embarrassing if it was Codesmith alumni or employee that recommended it haha. I would strongly guess it was a peer who realized Brian had already self taught to Codesmith grad level and wanted interview prep.
I don't discuss people's individual cases but I'm general, if someone is joining and Formation is not 100% good fit, we'll have that conversation. These are extremely case by case and some people join for different reasons and some people will not join for different reasons.
I didn't mention that in my response but we do work with a lot of bootcamp grads later in their careers. Not on the record (my best recollection) was that Hack Reaction, Fullstack Academy, and Codesmith where roughly equal in numbers as the original bootcamp people went to.
People regularly recommend (or maybe don't recommend if they didn't like it) Formation to their friends and cohort mates from their bootcamps.
The bootcamp market has been TERRIBLE in the past two years. Codesmith's main competitor Rithm School shut down, and their other competitors like App Academy and Hack Reactor have had major changes.
I'll keep saying it, but I would like to have a call with the Codesmith team to try to understand more where each other is coming from, there's a massive misalignment right now both ways it seems.
I'm happy to answer this factually on the record, I don't know where this is coming from but keep asking and I'll keep giving the answers.
I would like to know more specific examples of this to clarify because I don't know what you are talking about from your post.
1. I was in Codesmith's CSX Slack until I was banned and I have respected that ban since and not stepped foot in it and have not stepped foot in a Codesmith event since.
2. I have never messaged, promoted, or mentioned Formation to my recollection in CSX Slack ever. My interactions that I recall were limited to:
a) Messaging one or two OSP groups that their projects were leaking passwords publicly
b) Answered a couple of technical questions, like 5 maybe?
c) Helping the Codesmith Team understand what happened when a different Codesmith posted job postings improperly affiliated with Codesmith LLC and they thought it was…
People can be whoever they want on Reddit, there are pros and cons about being anonymous and about being non-anonymous. Regardless of choice, you can have integrity or not. I'm trying to reach out to Codesmith to talk, because there are two-way misunderstandings about intentions that would benefit not just both of us, but the whole community, to try to sort out.
This post was also flagged by Reddit's filters. Given the other conversation I'm going to contact the other moderators to decide what to do with it.
On a personal note, I don't want a crazy back and forth either. I'm not sure who this is but I was talking to Eric Kirsten a few months ago and planned on meeting in person to chat and that died off when he no longer planned on travelling to San Francisco and the thread died off after I very clearly articulated Formation's vision to him about how we are not competitors - and there appears to be two-way misunderstanding. While I feel you are wrong about where I am coming from and making wrong conclusions and assumptions as a result, you feel I'm wrong in how I characterize Codesmith and discuss it. And it would be a good step to clear the intentions piece. I expect us to strongly disagree on our interpretations of the facts, but I think unde…
The log shows that Reddit flagged it, like it does a bunch of posts for which I am not notified of, and I don't review them in real time, and check periodically.
The log shows I removed it a midnight Saturday night, when I reviewed the queues and it was at that point a duplicate of a post already in the sub.
I'm not sure why it showed up in the queue again today, where the log shows I removed it again and tried to explain that it was a duplicate with a comment this time so it would be clearer.
Your post was blocked by Reddit's filters not by a moderator. That's what the moderator log says.
This happens to 3 to 10 posts a day and is a common occurrence and I was just clearing out the log and filtering duplicates.
If someone else didn't share your post already, I would have overridden and approved it because it's now irrelevant as a duplicate.
Exclusive ex-Meta Engineering poll results: Almost no one is considering AI skills when hiring software engineers at their companies! Bootcamps pivoting to AI might be marketing a fictional gold rush so that they can sell you an expensive shovel that you don't need right now.
DISCLAIMER: I'm a moderator of the sub and co-founder of a mentorship program for experienced SWEs (2+ YOE currently) to help them prepare for interviews. I don't believe I have any conflicts of interest but I am bias by the fact that my corner of the market is top tier big tech (including top tier small tech startups) and not the long tail of companies hiring engineers right now. The below analysis is my personal interpretation of the poll and reflects my personal opinions and insights on the raw numbers presented.
Note: I might update poll numbers as more votes come in.
I ran a poll with a group a few thousand…
I agree. Emotions aside from being publicly attacked in a place where I can't respond and am being name called by people in their community, their response is objectively terrible and doesn't refute anything.
It's why so many people are calling it embarrassing and desperate and it's a really bad sign for Codesmith.
1. Personal income means I haven't made a penny in any way from Formation to date, no secondary sales, no profit sharing, no income, no dividend, big fat $0. I own a large amount of shares in it, and if it sold some day or IPOd I would make money, but I do not make money from any of the operations.
2. That's fair our perceive my message that way. Like I said it's rare, and I connect to a ton of people just to learn more about them and network like anyone else. I don't recall pushing Formation on anyone in DMs. If you felt that way, that's fair feedback and I'm happy we talked about it.
3. There are other mods who can make decisions too, not just me! I haven't changed my behaviors since becoming a mod and I feel like I had a bit influence in here BEFORE then too. I appreciate a reminder to be aware of potential conflicts, this is the kind of fair discourse I want to have. I'm not trying…
1. I don't make a personal income and haven't for 5 years
2. About a third or so people at Formation did a bootcamp in the past, it's far from the majority right now.
3. Are you able to prove that I DM'd you and promoted Formation and told you to go there? I've done it very rarely - like 2 or 3 times, while I've had 100s of conversations telling people to go to bootcamps like Codesmith (which I no longer do), Launch School, Rithm, grad school, Tech Elevator, etc... based on their circumstances. If I DM'd you from my account and out of the blue told you that you need Formation, then that was a one off that rarely happens, was probably a very legitmate reason to do so, and I probably mentioned other options too like Interview Kickstart rather than just saying "go to Formation", it was probably like "you should consider interview prep programs because you have a lot of experience alrea…
From my experience. There are a bunch of people who want to give back and mentoring yes.
The problem is they don't want to quit their jobs and run your program reliably for 6 months. They want to do casual mentorship.
If I'm making $1M a year as a principal eng at Meta, I need you do do a ton of coordinating around my life for me to do mentorship even if I WANT TO. You have to setup effective mentees for the person. It's not about the money but the opportunity cost.
A person like this wants to maximize their impact as a mentor and not waste time.
Who is going to manage all of this? It's completely different process and skillset to manage this than running a bootcamp.
If those developers are making $500K a year and true senior top tier engineers, they won't just randomly want to teach a bootcamp and they won't do so consistently for 6 months.
Several have tried this and it's failed.
What you end up with is unemployed bootcamps grads who were laid off and doing it to make money, which is marginally better than a bootcamp instructor who has never worked in industry.
The free market in the USA makes it almost impossible to have the best engineers teach consistently like that.
Meta and Google both PAY their own engineers FULL SALARIES to do 6 month sabaticalls and teach courses at colleges.
People who would be interested in the above would much rather just get a job at Meta and do it via them.
My opinions is that they don't have anyone qualified to do it.
I've reported a couple of major security problems in projects and no one seems to know what to do about it.
For example, they checked in passwords for some 3rd party charity into source code. They then claimed they removed them from the repo. But alas, they didn't wipe the Git history and the passwords were still there in past commits.
I pointed this out and was told I was wrong.
I sent a link to the password directly, publicly on GitHub.
It took far too much effort to explain this if I was talking to "mid level and senior engineers".
Just a note for others reading, Launch School's Capstone projects are one level better than Codesmith's OSPs and follow a similar idea of building a developer tool.
I love the spirit of the OSP but they went about it all wrong. They responded to my criticism about OSLabs being a fake entity by establishing a charity only recently.
The director of the charity is now 'on leave' and it's my understanding from her that Annie and Phil run the day to day of the projects
Like instead of building a fake charity that's practically run by Codesmith people, put effort into making the OSPs better. Less effort on appearing legit and more effort on being legit.
Launch School is leveling up their projects by having paid mentors work on large open source projects like Firefox and mentoring students to work on those projects without distracting the core contributors (who otherwise don't have the time…
This might be TMI, but someone sent me some completely public but unlisted instructor training videos with no message or commentary that they were secret so I have to assumeI have permission to see (but given they are unlisted I don't think are intended to be searchable publicly)
They were from like 8 years ago, but I was informed upon asking that recent instructors saw these videos. The training was developed by Will Sentance and an instructor who used to be an actor in LA with no SWE experience.
Most of the training was about how to manage people in lectures, like how to get people to put cameras on, introduce themselves, make a comment about each person by name, and then how to handle not knowing the answers to questions you are asked.
Really enlightening. I don't even know if I have the links anymore, this was like a long time ago that I saw them.
But they are/were trained on how…
Yeah no worries and I appreciate being challenged respectfully and with good intentions, even if the challenges are hard.
I'm not perfect and I can't be fair and reasonable without acknowledging and talking about my weaknesses too.
I'm frustrated that while I have tons of documentation from tons of people in making my arguments about Codesmith and other bootcamps that the company is trying to gaslight me and silence me with a post that presents facts about me and my intentions without any evidence.
It's awful.
I'm very fair about potential conflicts of interest. In my opinion, the conflict of interest is that about a third of people at Formation did botocamps in the past, so it's a good chunk of people who come to us in the future. And no, these aren't recent grads who can't get jobs but people with real work experience post bootcamp. I think I disclose.and manage this well and that it's a relativrly minor conflict.
You know what's worse, anonymous accounts that could be run by bootcamps, manipulating discussions, and they shouldn't get a free pass just because they are anonymous. I shouldn't be villainized because I'm not anonymous.
There is a happy medium.
I don't own this sub and there are two other mods with different views.
I was made a moderator after demonstrating for two years that I could manage my biases well and be fair and reasonable.
Reddit permanently suspended about a dozen…
If you suddenly want to be a medical doctor, it's extremely hard to change your mind and go to medical school later in life. Only a small number of people who have the time, support and savings can.
The path that works is a top tier 4 year CS degree (top 10 schools) and for people who decided early only, like medical school, that CS was for them.
Bootcamps can help the late bloomers in adjacent areas find s path on a case by case basis.
While medical doctors are one thing, being a receptionist at a doctors office isn't or being a lab assistant, or a medical clerk, or x ray technician.
AI is going to create a plethora of new jobs at tech companies that are the "x ray techncian" of the SWE world.
Jobs that pay okay but not SWE level salaries, need a few months long certificate or bootcamp, and don't have the ssme prestige.
Codesmith's narrative of the modern engineer fits in this vai…
Bootcamps work for a specific slice of people.
Launch School is the only program I know that systematically tries to find those people though a multi step, months long process of getting through to Capstone.
And surprise, it works better! But you don't know if it will work for you until you try getting through, and you might be capable of getting a job through a bootcamp, just not through Launch School.
Launch School has like under 100 capstone students a year.
The problem with bootcamps, which particularly hit Codesmith hard and they haven't fully recovered is that they scaled from 100 students a year to over a 1000, thinking that if it worked for so many of their students when they are small, it would work for everyone who passes the bar.
While Launch School has maintained a relatively high placement rates. Unofficially reported Codesmith placement rates have gone down drasticall…
Why do you think it's a conflict of interest?
Codesmith's unhinged post is libelous as I have officially informed their leadership about this in the past and have the records to prove it and they decided to intentionally lie to mislead the public.
I have always made it extraordinarily clear my commentary is my personal opinion and nothing to do with my company.
I stated that there are a handful of unique edge case people that could go to either Formation or Codesmith but that our records show it's a very small number and not our target demographic.
They decide to lie anyways with zero evidence presented to support their claim.
An institution that behaves like this is rotten at the core and won't survive, just don't get caught up in it.
I'm someone who was bullied my whole childhood, lived at home through college, and had major conference issues.
My views on Reddit come from defending those being taken advantage of.
For profit companies and for profit and not charities so expect to be marketed to and it's healthy to have critics challenge a company or product as well.
The new Google Pixel phone came out to some great reviews and some terrible ones.
I see myself as a critic. Maybe I'm like a fine cigar salesman who critiques whisky brands, complementary but completely different product, and I feel very comfortable with being a critic.
If you can't survive being critiqued then maybe you are actually a scam, or at the very least, you don't have everything figured out and maybe have to look WITHIN before blaming others. Some products like Rabbit R1 looked and sounded great and have CEOs who tell a great story. But exec…
I don't know what they told you when you graduated but they are telling new grads that they have "2 to 4 years of functional experience" so they can put that in applications and their resume.
From the materials I've seen, the changes seem irrelevant to getting a job right now.
A couple of people have Gen AI related jobs but most people are getting SWE jobs with zero AI, followed by tangential jobs, like support engineering and technical writers.
If the market rebounds enough for people to get jobs, I'm curious to see if they stay the course with the "modern engineer" or just double down on classic Codesmith techniques.
So I'm not even convinced the changes they made are correcting anything, but I could be wrong, I'm going off my corner of the market. Maybe Mavis Tire will hire a ton of modern engineers while FAANG keeps doing its same old same old.
Codesmith's new model is bullshit. They added 5 Generative AI lectures and are calling themselves an AI immersive. It's unclear if the content is even done yet or just in progress, with the people currently working on it having no AI experience in real life.
There is no "modern engineer". It's a fabricated story in the CEO's head that he's setting up and using alumni to +1 like zombies.
The "modern engineer" is a privileged Oxford/Harvard grad's idea for making the word a better place.
Good idea, but it's not what the market wants right now. If he wants to change the world, he needs to give the market what it wants along the way to get there.
Right now he's acting like a con artist, dressing up sly foxes like prized sheepdogs. Telling graduates with 3 weeks of OSP to list that on their resume as 2 to 4 years of "functional experience" because companies don't check (Recent alumni wer…
Absolutely, everyone is biased and so am I. I have a very skewed view of the world.
I started off as a middle class kid in Canada, who was terrified of leaving home.
I stumbled into Silicon Valley and met all kinds of people from self-taught people to Stanford grads, and everything in between.
I worked my ass off to become the #1 contributing engineer AT ALL OF FACEBOOK when I left in 2017.
I didn't like how I got EXTREMELY LUCKY to be there, but the Stanford and Harvard grads with wealthy families - who were brilliant and very hard working - just seemed to have different path.
Kamala Harris called it the opportunity of "failing forward" I think last night?
At the same time, bootcamps were not working to help those people from non-traditional backgrounds make it. There were ONE PIECE of the puzzle, but not the answer.
So after taking a break after Facebook, I joined my partner's…
A couple of alumni have sent ME their complaints because they said YOU personally don't do anything about them and were defensive receiving them.
Word are words. Actions are actions.
Don't gaslight your alumni when placements for people starting LAST NOVEMBER have been terrible, not one recent cohort 3 months ago.
Work all week, every week, for a few years straight fighting tooth and nail for those graduates like Launch School's CEO.
Don't make alumni wait weeks for resume review sand mock interviews.
Actually LOOK AT THEIR OSP projects and review them so your students don't ASK ME TO REVIEW THEM because the people reviewing them at Codesmith has never professionally written code.
When I report a huge security issue with one of your projects, don't ignore it for 8 months.
Do better with your actions, not your words. People aren't falling for your words anymore.