u/Either-Sympathy9471 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I’m talking about my “Open source product” as real work experience (heavily encouraged by Codesmith with minor caveats), talking about my experience as a sales engineer and account exec, and saying how I took time to build my skills so I can dive headfirst into development. Hope
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
Jeez sorry to hear that you were a sales engineer and still cant make it work.
Can you elaborate for everyone what it means to talk about your open source product as real work experience?
I'm super familiar with it, but I think it's useful for general people to hear what that means because it's a little surprising to a lot of people I talk to.
u/Either-Sympathy9471 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
When I was around the time of joining, things were still okay. This sub had a lot of positivity about the job market turning around and that it was just a minor bump in the road, and people were still getting jobs. I also had invested 2 months into learning enough to get into Cod
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
Yeah a lot of this was manufactured by Codesmith and insider alumni itself. I know some of those people and it's very obvious that they all disappeared from this sub when they realized what was going on.
A dozen or so pro Codesmith against were permanently suspended recently as well (including two mods of their sub) so people with less honorable intentions that stick around are gone.
Now all you get is the reality of things and hopefully future people will see that.
u/MysticWatch wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I did codesmith around 3 years back and was definitely the best decision for me at the time and easily recommend it to friends/family then
In no world would I recommend it today, market is just horrible and bootcamp grads are at the bottom of the totem pole for new hires
Sucks
u/michaelnovatireplied·
What specifically did it teach you in your opinion to prepare you for that role? And how did you represent your background when applying, interviewing, and doing a background check?
u/annie-ama wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Hi there!
I’m Annie, Codesmith’s Director of Outcomes and Dev Relations.
Just wanted to jump on and respond directly to this.
If you graduated from our most recent PTRI cohort (mid-June) - huge congrats finishing the program. It typically takes ***minimum*** **3+ months** f
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
A couple of alumni have sent ME their complaints because they said YOU personally don't do anything about them and were defensive receiving them.
Word are words. Actions are actions.
Don't gaslight your alumni when placements for people starting LAST NOVEMBER have been terrible, not one recent cohort 3 months ago.
Work all week, every week, for a few years straight fighting tooth and nail for those graduates like Launch School's CEO.
Don't make alumni wait weeks for resume review sand mock interviews.
Actually LOOK AT THEIR OSP projects and review them so your students don't ASK ME TO REVIEW THEM because the people reviewing them at Codesmith has never professionally written code.
When I report a huge security issue with one of your projects, don't ignore it for 8 months.
Do better with your actions, not your words. People aren't falling for your words anymore.
u/smells_serious wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I love this
u/michaelnovatireplied·
I don't take being gaslit in public well because it's extremely manipulative to all those reading it
u/CoastLongjumping6491 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Haven’t seen anyone from my cohort in the outcomes updates (and only one or two total from the prior couple cohorts) so I’d say it’s not looking too good
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Any update now?
u/CoastLongjumping6491 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Radio silence in my cohort slack. I suspect the only people with jobs are the ones who already had them.
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
There was a bit of an issue because their CA 2023 report originally had 20% placements for 2023 grads which they updated to 42% by adding in like 40 to 60 people who didn't report salaries and were verified by LinkedIn.
I asked them about it and they didn't respond (while they responded to other questions, so it wasn't due to lack of receipt).
Apparently a contractor/advisor did the report so I asked them if it's possible all of those LinkedIn verifications were ACTUALLY OSP PROJECTS PORTRAYED AS WORK and not actual jobs, and they didn't reply to that either.
I started doing some analysis but I'm way too busy because I'm working on so many crazy AI features that are so exciting and cool I just doing have like an hour to do the actual number crunching, but I really want to know what's going on.
It's impossible the leadership doesn't know about these problems no? Like how could they mislead so many people that things are fine when they clearly are not.
u/CoastLongjumping6491 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I would pretty much guarantee many of those were OSPs listed as companies, since almost everyone does it and it can be hard to tell the difference at first glance if you’re not already looking for it
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
Historically they never did that though as far as I know so I would t assume but this is awfully suspicious given then anecdotal evidence and the massive increase is ghost placements demands at least a clarification. like if it was legit I don't see why they wouldn't say Michael. this is absurd how we do even suggest this, we obviously are not committing fraud like that, and they haven't acknowledged it.
u/annie-ama wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Hi there!
I’m Annie, Codesmith’s Director of Outcomes and Dev Relations.
Just wanted to jump on and respond directly to this.
If you graduated from our most recent PTRI cohort (mid-June) - huge congrats finishing the program. It typically takes ***minimum*** **3+ months** f
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
It's been 7 months now and based on the people that have pinged me on and from this thread (not sure if it's circulating with a cohort) the placements haven't changed much and these cohorts were described as a ghost town and worse than ever placement rates - some saying they don't know anyone placed in their cohort.
**You knew at the time of posting that 2023 cohorts had been doing half as good as 2022 cohorts (40% 6 month placement rate) and you knew how the earliest 2024 cohorts were doing and terrible things were.**
I saw an ad last week saying that 2024 was great for outcomes and "you could be next".