This post was also flagged by Reddit's filters. Given the other conversation I'm going to contact the other moderators to decide what to do with it.
On a personal note, I don't want a crazy back and forth either. I'm not sure who this is but I was talking to Eric Kirsten a few months ago and planned on meeting in person to chat and that died off when he no longer planned on travelling to San Francisco and the thread died off after I very clearly articulated Formation's vision to him about how we are not competitors - and there appears to be two-way misunderstanding. While I feel you are wrong about where I am coming from and making wrong conclusions and assumptions as a result, you feel I'm wrong in how I characterize Codesmith and discuss it. And it would be a good step to clear the intentions piece. I expect us to strongly disagree on our interpretations of the facts, but I think understanding WHY would de-escalate.
I'm not sure exactly how to do that, I can hop on a call.
u/CountryBoyDeveloper wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
You are a business who has used this sub as a marketing tool. you do not get free rights here it is not an unpoliced community where you get to decide who posts. Just like we can't post in the Codesmith sub.
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Out of curiousity, how did you find this post, I thought this was Reddit blocked right now?
u/Team_Codesmith wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Hi Michael, we can see it's been flagged for moderator approval, however, given it does not violate any community rules we see no reason why the moderators of this sub wouldn't release it immediately. To continue to disallow our posts, or to actively remove them yourselves, would
u/michaelnovatireplied·
The above post was flagged for by two different Reddit filters and is pending a discussion with all the moderators. I don't feel comfortable overriding both of these independent filters, given that I PERSONALLY agree with one of the filters, if I were to treat you like everyone else I would remove it - that's the default for the many posts with these flags that end up in the queue.
So I'm waiting for another moderator to take action and have alerted them.
u/CountryBoyDeveloper wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
What do you mean lol
u/michaelnovatireplied·
I thought this post was not visible but clearly I'm wrong haha
u/Team_Codesmith wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
We would like to engage with this community on a the same level playing field as all other users.
That said, please can you explain which two filters this post has fallen afoul of so we can be sure to post within the right parameters in future.
Currently, "irrelevant conte
u/michaelnovatireplied·
You are being treated exactly the same as all other users. Your post was flagged for numerous concerns about your account being a potential bad actor.
If you are using multiple accounts on the same computer or IP, etc... to previously manipulate discussion then your entire account would be blocked and I don't override that filter when I see it if you want to be treated fairly.
If whoever this is has engaged in bad behaviors in the past resulting in these specific filters being triggered, this is an issue beyond the content of the post that we don't have insight into and you have to live with those decisions.
u/Team_Codesmith wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Hi Michael - this is a genuine Codesmith account, as you can see, and our intention is purely to engage in the community, respond to misconceptions or unfair criticism of our program or staff where we see it, and we aren't connected to a previous account that engaged in the behav
u/michaelnovatireplied·
I edited my comment, another mod stands by not overriding that post and thinks it should be removed otherwise, suggesting harsher action.
I'm trying very hard with my moderator hat and didn't agree with taking a harder stance on moderation.
I would recommend engaging in comments and getting genuine positive engagement without manipulating voting or asking people on your team to vote or alumni to vote so your account is in good shape.
The other mod considers your pending post full of personal attacks so that kind of content is likely to be removed if anyone posted it. I personally prefer to rely on Reddit to decide and apply their rules consistently. Readers can judge content for themselves and make their own conclusions based on facts and evidence, so personal attacks that are not backed by any evidence do more harm than good to the reputation of the poster.
u/CoastLongjumping6491 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Codesmith has an interesting definition of the word “facts” that seems to pretty directly coincide with whether or not the information supports them 🤷♂️
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I dispute almost all of those "facts", but I don't care personally if they get posted and I need to evaluate everything super fairly and consistently as a mod or I don't deserve the position.
Personal opinion rant: Codesmith has dug a really deep whole for themselves with their own community and it's entirely on them. The more they go after me with statements I can prove are false, the deeper the hole. The more their placements are terrible and they gaslight alumni, the deeper the hole. The more they post in their slack about me (who RECOMMENDED PEOPLE IN 1-1 CHATS GO TO CODESMITH UNTIL THEIR RECENT LAYOFF ROUND), the deeper the hole. When an alumni, who I recommended go to Codesmith, actually went, and then is pissed off because they didn't feel like they liked it, and that alumni sees what Codesmith is saying about me to their alumni in slack, that absolutely **DESTROYS** their credibility.
If they don't believe me, that's on them and they should logoff socials for a bit, ask their recent alumni, look in the mirror, and then come back to the table and have a call with me to talk about it so I can help them productively.