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Thanks for sharing. In my opinion, this is the key sentence: "I don't think any of them can live up to their promises reliably" Who is to say those people, e.g. who worked on wall street, couldn't have gotten jobs on their own or for far cheaper? Bootcamps that cost like $22K for 13 weeks is crazy expensive, if the correlative factor to getting a job is luck + background. Maybe paying for a network increases your luck, and when it works, is worth $100K, but $22K just averages that out across 5 people - one of whom gets lucky and the rest are ripped off. The AI programs rolling out, like the one at Codesmith is $4600 for ONE MONTH at 15 hours a week! Even more expensive per hour... **Anyways, my point is that the bootcamp model is broken and doesn't work anymore because most don't deliver fundamental value for their cost.** If you take all the harvard grads who want to switch to SWE,…

Hey, yeah CIRR is business league responsible to supporting the businesses of it's bootcamp members - it's not impartial. 1. CIRR has only 3 reporting companies left, one of which had like 15 grads in 2022, one is in Indonesia and didn't report FY 2022 properly, so **Codesmith IS CIRR at this point**. 2. CIRR changing the standards last year to report 360 day outcomes instead of 180 day outcomes was a massive coverup to conceal terrible H2 2022 outcomes. Since Codesmith filed H1 2022 and FY 2022 outcomes, you can calculate the H2 2022 outcomes from that data and they did indeed tank really bad. 3. Not only is a Codesmith Advisor on the board, but she brought in other board members who are friendly with her 4. A former Codesmith grad was temporarily working for CIRR to rebuild their new website after they got locked out and lost all their old website stuff. \--------------------- I…

McDonalds sells hamburgers and STK sells hamburgers but it doesn't mean all hamburgers are the same. Covering a topic so nuanced as DS&A doesn't mean anything. At Formation, we do Interview prep and we don't teach anything so it's not a direct comparison, but people tend to spend months just on data structures and algorithms alone to get to a top-tier company bar. So a bootcamp that has a module that is even a week doesn't mean that you're checking off the box that you are good to go for a data structures and algorithms.

I replied with direct numbers to backup my claims from CIRR reports and I don't appreciate you trying to gaslight me in public and ignoring that data. While a lot of what I state is a personal opinion, I clearly labelled my CIRR analysis as fact and if I made a mistake in my analysis, it was unintentional and I'm open to correcting, but I feel like those facts are clear that H2 2022 outcomes tanked from H1 2022. And I have strong evidence tying someone named "Will S." to paying for someone on Upwork to comment on Reddit who said negative things about me/my company on Reddit under the same account name. I would call those facts too, other than proving "Will S." is Will Sentance the Codesmith CEO and not another Will S, and I do not have evidence of who "Will S." is on Upwork.

I see 78.6% placed in 180 days in H1 2022 (301 grads) and 70.1% in FY 2022 (732 graduates). So that means that about a 62% placement rate in H2 2022. 79% -> 62% is a tanking placement rate. And that was a relatively better 2022 grads. Anecdotally and based on numbers I can find - which are not official and not necessarily accurate, show 2023 grads 180 day placements with something below 50%. And since this number should have been known internally since June 2024 (with at least an estimate) they are free to clear this up for the record. Even if they don't have all the data in yet because they are delayed, if they even have 50% in 180 days already they can let us know that. I really won't listen to any marketing spins on this that make it sound good and anyone trying to do that needs an integrity check. Codesmith can go to town saying how they are doing better than OTHER BOOTCAMPS but…

Can you clarify if you are saying H2 2022 outcomes did not tank from H1 2022 outcomes? Because Codesmith published an official H1 2022 CIRR report and a FY 2022 CIRR reports it's simple math to deduce the H2 2022 outcomes and they decreased no? Are you saying I'm wrong and need to correct that and made a mistake? Showing a large increase in people ghosting post placement for H2 who were confirmed via LinkedIn as appearing to get a job and their salaries weren't included? Anyways, in a market where App Academy has paused, Turing plans on shutting down in 2025, Launch Academy paused, BloomTech paused, Launch School has lower enrollment but surviving and discussing its challenges openly, Code Up shut down, Epicodus shut down, Hack Reactor has massive layoffs and is unrecognizable. Codesmith is the only one that keeps delusionally telling people everything is okay and people aren't fall…

Codesmith's 2023 CIRR report showed tanking H2 2022 results (but they were averaged into a full year) so I expect their 2024 report to be equally tanking, unless CIRR changes the rules again. Their 180 placement rate absolutely tanked and people post 360 days are excluded from the reports. Codesmith randomly shared outcomes from a carefully chosen window of April 2024 to August 2024 in violation of CIRR and haven't updated that, and even those were really bad, so I can't imagine the outcomes are good right now. Now they are adding in alumni's future jobs in their Slack reporting making some of those jobs look like first jobs to boost morale as the number of people getting first jobs within 6 months is very poor.

Currently not recommending any bootcamps overall for everyone and only recommending specific ones to specific people based on their personal circumstances. Unfortunately there have been so many downsizings and meetings that and layoffs that even a bootcamp that was good six months ago but be completely different now. Someone on YouTube just started Codesmith this week and said it seemed like a "cult" and their instructors can't answer basic questions and the CEO is never around and the person seemed very upset. And while I've always criticized Codesmith, it seems to be getting worse and worse the more they shed staff. I used to recommend them as a top bootcamp and paused when they made major cutbacks in February and promised tons of changes. Then officially recommended avoiding them after they didn't make many changes and started new marketing campaigns doubling down on their mediocre…

Course Report "Best Bootcamp of 2024" awards appear to be a scam to me (in my personal opinion). Don't fall for it. I saw a bootcamp and it's CEO produly talking about how they got a Best Bootcamp of 2024 award from Course Report and were so proud of their team for getting the award. I looked into this a bit more. 1. DOZENS OF BOOTCAMPS (like any legitimate bootcamp it appears) got a best bootcamp of 2024 award. It was hard to find common bootcamps that did NOT get the award. 2. It appears that all or almost all of the bootcamps that pay Course Report for marketing got the award (2U bootcamps didn't and are shutting down) 3. One of the bootcamps that got the award had ONE REVIEW IN ALL OF 2024 and somehow still got the award. 4. Another bootcamp paid their graduates with gift cards to write reviews and Course Report still gave them a best bootcamp award. **54 out of the first 100 lis…