Right, think of it like the IRS put $118M into a special bank account, and that account can be used to "buy things" over 5 years. Each time they want to buy something, the 5 recipients can offer their product. Like if they want 100 cars, each of the 5 can pitch the car they offer and the IRS chooses one.
If there is money left in the bank at the end it goes back and the account is closed.
A BPA is a "blanket purchase agreement", which means the IRS budgeted/allocated $118M to a large umbrella of AI training/upskilling/hiring.
There are 5 companies that received this BPA.
When the IRS has a specific task/contract within this budget, e.g. "a 10 week AI bootcamp for 20 level 31 engineers" then they create a task with a price and the 5 companies can compete/propose solutions and one is chosen for that task.
I agree if those numbers are correct that it's shady, I think the problem is that people aren't spending any money to attend. I fully agree that "time is money" but legally I doubt Gauntlet will get the same scrutiny that Lambda did.
I think if that many people lost their jobs or didn't get one they would flood reviews to warn people and it will stop working?
I think BloomTech shut down effectively, and Gauntlet has traction. It's entirely free and the jobs are very high paying. But it's not perfect either. The thing is when you have a problem and you pay $0, it's hard to have "damages", so their model absolutely lets them experiment and iterate at the pace Austen Allred wants but without having students as upset if they don't have a good experience.
I think it comes down alignment.
Codesmith has like no staff left and none of them have extensive AI experience. They hired random people on Upwork to manage this thing, from marketing to program management to working on the contracts. I don't see students in 2026. I don't see placements in 2026. The "CIRR Audited Outcomes" haven't been updated this year, and CIRR has not responded to why. Their website doesn't even have a privacy policy. A 2024-2025 lawsuit said that their financials required six months of forensic accounting to assemble and could not be provided on demand. Codesmith's AI curriculum is minimal and created by recent alumni. I'm not an expert but I would guess they would have trouble with the most basic government audit.
Additionally, the AI "Lead Engineer" on the IRS stuff is a full time engineer at a top tier bank. I also suspect that's problematic to have them on c…
I worked on some of the most disturbing internal tools at Facebook you can imagine, the hardest of the hard, the infinite shades of grey.
It re-programmed my brain to separate feelings from objective, provable facts.
You are incapable of doing that.
The fundamental facts are fully on my side.
Whether you like me or not is a matter of taste and many brilliant people like me, and many don't.
It's irrelevant.
If you want to debate the facts, I'm down.
If you can't accept the facts you will only cause your own downfall.
NEWS: First wave of contracts totalling $4.4M under the $118M IRS BPA were awarded to Fedstack, Gauntlet AI, Fearless, and Sokat. Codesmith with no reported contracts.
Details below. Interesting to see Gauntlet AI take the 10-week training program.
# 1. Fedstack (Smoothstack): $1,623,840.00
* **Task Order ID:** `2032L226F00064`
* Fedstack secured the highest-value award to scale highly governed training pipelines that transition existing personnel into specialized AI engineering roles.
* [https://orangeslices.ai/fedstack-secures-department-of-the-treasury-artificial-intelligence-engineer-workforce-development-task/](https://orangeslices.ai/fedstack-secures-department-of-the-treasury-artificial-intelligence-engineer-workforce-development-task/)
# 2. Gauntlet AI (BloomTech): $1,420,654.80
* **Task Order ID:** `2032L226F00062`
* Gauntlet AI received funding to deploy intensive 10-week…
I agree with comments, that this is Reddit drama and not "theory of Reddit". The blog post this was based on was already posted here like 8 months ago as well.
Anyways, people can share their opinions and I'm here to add in anothr other side of the same story that is missing in this "theory": [https://michaelnovati.substack.com/p/a-response-to-lars-lofgrens-codesmith](https://michaelnovati.substack.com/p/a-response-to-lars-lofgrens-codesmith)
When I criticized other programs, their leaders reached out to me, we talked and sorted things out. We didn't become friends, but it mattered.
Codesmith never reached out for years and the first time a Codesmith leader reached out to me in 2024 he said "With regards to your posts re Codesmith, I generally don’t have any issue with them"
So WTF... that implies you do not have a problem with my Reddit activity.
Like I can't deal with reading between the lines, passive aggressive messaging, people saying things they don't mean to mean something else.
I have received numerous bug bounties for finding security vulnerabilities thank you very much and participated in organizing Red Team security drills.
The situation is complicated over 4 years and you jumped in at the "everything is burning to the ground" stage. I look really bad, Codesmith looks really bad. There are bad actors going after me left right and center. There are bad actors who went after Codesmith over the years.
And yes, if you were here for 4 years you would see all of the people I recommended go to Codesmith, because every bootcamp has flaws and if you are a good fit for Codesmith you should go to Codesmith and I tried to make that happen.
I'm very bad at communicating in general, but you are seeing a sliver of this thing.
Reddit shut down all the manipulation as you saw, and now the people went to X.
Sarcasm and trolling, you haven't once actually tried to discuss the substance, not once. All of your posts are attacks, trolling, etc...
For example, I had a private conversation with someone about what's a reasonable timeframe and rollout plan to rollout a new website and am I being too hard on them or am I not being hard enough. Both sides. Good discussion. That helps be understand where people are at.
Your commments insults and trolling and your +20 fake bullshit comment has been Reddit correct back to +2.
👏👏👏 stop spreading fake news.
https://preview.redd.it/146p6q4yg56h1.png?width=1636&format=png&auto=webp&s=3f8b5e85e691fbe1c2956a5bd1f72e1c23051f00
Again, what's with these trolling attacks that don't actually address what I say and why do these people only come out on Codesmith posts.
I never have these discussion when I criticize other programs. The CEO's usually reach out, we talk and everything is good.
Codesmith community is so weird. "Powerclap" and "smile" camera on in every session. If you display negatively you get a 1-1 'attitude correction' with an instruction.
But on the outside, if you say anything bad about Codesmith, the wrath of all-mighty power shall be thrust upon you to shut you up.
All false. Stop making Reddit a place of untrustworthy garbage and focus on the truth.
By the way, I guess you aren't an engineer or didn't have a solid computer science education, but monitoring sitemaps is a common thing. Any AI tool can even do in on a schedule without any code or any service.
You sound just like those dozens of accounts that got banned from Reddit.
You are experiencing what I've experienced for four years: I don't understand why people downvote the truth. I can guess ideas, but just like I don't want to people to make assumptions about me, I try to not make assumptions about other people. If I do based on the evidence in front of me, I will correct and change it if new evidence comes to light.
Like people might not like you calling out an obvious contradiction: someone calling themselves a Karpathy-like AI researcher when they have never actually published any research. They might not like you rubbing salt in a wound that Will Sentance said he was publishing a book last year that doesn't seem to have ever come out.
Like calling out someone who repeatedly warps the truth, with public sources, former staff, and dozens of examples, might be mean.
But if you are Will Sentance, a public figure, who signs his DM's '1,000,000 students…
I'll try to summarize then, I do agree that I haven't clearly articulated all of it publicly:
1. I interviewed Codesmith grads who were lying through their teeth and I got fascinated by it
2. When I started poking around people were cult-like devoted to Codesmith, which got me more interested
3. By asking questions a number of former staff and alumni reached out with telling me all kinds of crazy stuff going on there, which got me MORE interested
NOTE that through this time I was very supportive of them overall. The grads were solid, the outcomes were good. I recommended people go there. I recommended they ear the sausage. I was curious how the sausage was made.
NOTE also that people on the Codesmith side thought I was a competitor trying to steal business and I also spent some energy explaining the differences and clarifying.
4. I started piecing together how the sausage was made,…
No, it's totally fine to call out my behavior, if you also discuss the substance and give me a chance to explain where I'm coming from.
For example this post alone I have what like 30 comments. That doesn't mean that I commented about Codesmith "every day for a month". But some people judged me based on Lars's fake conclusions.
Or are saying it does? This post is evidence that I talked about Codesmith "every day for a whole month" according to the Lars Lofgren methodology.
I have been very much on top of Codesmith, and for good reason, and you can think I'm too on top of them and that I'm correct.
But calling me obsessive and therefore I'm wrong is an idiotic argument.
I'm a single-account non-anonymous profile dealing with four years of dozens of fake, then Reddit-wide banned accounts going after me for talking about Codesmith.
I've explicitly stated that I'm calling them out. I supported Codesmith for years, and I've been commenting on the reality of their decline, and they turned that into publicly blaming me for causing $9M in declines. So my only goal is for people to get the facts straight.
You can see here [https://michaelnovati.substack.com/p/a-response-to-lars-lofgrens-codesmith](https://michaelnovati.substack.com/p/a-response-to-lars-lofgrens-codesmith) how I provided a list of 39 pro-Codesmith accounts that were Reddit-wide banned and have been dealing with this for years.
The problem is I have one account, one real name and you can see my content. It's not easy to add up the cumulative behavior of all those banned accounts.
I saw your other comment that you aren't familiar with the coding bootcamp industry or the sub, so I would recommend doing some research on all sides
[https://michaelnovati.substack.com/p/a-response-to-lars-lofgrens-codesmith](https://michaelnovati.substack.com/p/a-response-to-lars-lofgrens-codesmith)
You see how it's back down to 3 now... that's called Reddit manipulation fixing. Unless it went from 1 to 12 with 12 views and then 12 to 3 with 40 more views. Which is statistically extremely unlikely given that all the other comments on this branch fluctuated +/-1 .
You are an idiot if you think this isn't weird or you are just harassing me with gaslighting.
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So you have zero affiliation with Codesmith, staff, former staff, alumni, etc... and you are just a person that happens to comment a huge percentage of comments on Codesmith related content.
I covered that case, and you could be normal Redditor who happened upon here, and then is being used for manipulation.
Maybe some people do, but this is vote manipulation. When I was moderator there was maybe one or two times I saw this on content about two other bootcamps, yet it happens on every controversial Codesmith post.
There is no evidence that Codesmith themselves are doing it, they have denied that. But someone or some people are and there are unique patterns here.
I similarly get downvoted to like -10 and then an hour later it's wiped back out to like +3.
And no one else has that happen to them.
Maybe these people feel justified in their actions, but all it looks like is suppressing negative facts instead of actually disproving them.
And that makes Reddit AI algorithms think Codesmith is very sketchy.
I honestly haven't seen this pattern in other places on Reddit either because like this sub has such little activity relative to other places these strategies might be less obvious.
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You realize all day long the counts jump +10 in minutes and then Reddit cleans it up later. I've had numerous notifications of comments on this post and I click through and the account is already banned and the comment is gone.
I will stay here with my one account, and let Codesmith destroy it's own reputation for not trying to stop this behavior.
Right, from an account with "65 contributions", and I count at least a dozen comments (from two threads alone) that are on Codesmith-Novati posts with no other involvement in this sub.
If you are a real and independent person, debate me with integrity, not with sketchy accounts.
I've been harassed by dozens of similar looking accounts for years that were banned/deleted and I need more integrity to take someone seriously.
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I don't want to share the raw link because there is A LOT Of stuff on there. Seems like he hires all his lawyers, interior designers, all the people for their IRS thing.... you can try to find it on your own, it's all public and not hard to find.
I don't really understand why the IRS would pay Codesmith a bunch of money if all these people are just Upwork contractors that ANYONE could hire for $40 an hour. Maybe that's how the government works, but we need more integrity and value creation and not people selling off the work of Upwork contractors with a huge markup to the government.
Yeah I'm just posting receipts for everyone else reading it with all the evidence, I added a screenshot of the Upwork job he has to try to get someone to do the research for him too.
I've had enough of this guy spewing out lies and manipulation and making millions of dollars doing it and as a prominent public figure, he has to be accountable to the public.
He is a "Visiting Policy Fellow" at Oxford, not a "Visiting Research Fellow"
The program he's doing requires an application and sponsorship process, but HE HAS TO PAY £12,500-19,000 TO DO IT.
It's not like anyone can do this, it's Oxford after all, but he's paying to be there...
If he was actually doing research he would be a "Research Fellow".
[https://www.oii.ox.ac.uk/research/visitor-programme/](https://www.oii.ox.ac.uk/research/visitor-programme/)
I recommended Codesmith to many people, who thanked me afterwards. I have had a pulse on this for 4 years, and I paused my recommendations in February 2024 (when they scaled back about 50%) and removed it in Fall 2024 (when they didn't fulfill the commitments they promised in Feb).
And I was perfectly timed with exactly the fall of Codesmith.
I was being a damn good industry analyst who called it perfectly.
Instead their leaders blamed me for the decline for simply calling out reality.
It's sad because the students and alumni who are (mostly) very ambitious and incredible people shouldn't feel attacked because Codesmith has had incompetent leadership.
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Well the team isn't any more qualified than anyone else to do AI consulting so we'll see if they are successful at it. Will Sentance has never worked full time at a real company.
The IRS contract means nothing as there are 6 companies and counting in that contract and they have to compete on actual work and haven't seen any receipts yet for that.
It's possible they didn't want to shut down the Codesmith brand so this is just like a holding company, shell/home for the briend.
Will Sentance seems like he's completely moved on to physical AI, manufacturing plants in the mid-west, robot hackatons, Oxford Fellow, Stanford Fellow.
Amazing how quickly he moved on from Codesmith and abandoned everything after personally making millions of dollars (based on court filling estimations) off of Codesmith.
The sad problem is that out of the $50M Codesmith approximately/estimate made in pure stude…
Will Sentance has been unambiguous about this. He thought most bootcamps were driven by profit motivated investors who pushed for scale and resulted in bad products.
He maybe be right about that but his OWN COMPANY had PROFIT MOTIVATED INVESTORS that resulted in internal disputes, chaos and lawsuits, that impacted the business and took a lot of money off the table. He scaled too fast in 2023 and it resulted in the implosion of his product.
People need to know about this four-faced liar because he took advantage of people's distrust of bootcamps, thousands of people believed it, when he was no better off himself. He was making millions, he scaled too fast, quality degraded, it imploded.
The only difference is he blamed me for his decline and his mental health issues which is the fourth face of the lie... while telling these things to the public, he was wrapping up a massive lawsuit tha…
u/michaelnovatireplied·DELETED · archived copy★ FEATURED
Will Sentance has been unambiguous about this. He thought most bootcamps were driven by profit motivated investors who pushed for scale.
He maybe be right about that but his OWN COMPANY had PROFIT MOTIVATED INVESTORS that resulted in internal disputes, chaos and lawsuits, that impacted the business and took a lot of money off the table.
People need to know about this four-faced liar because he took advantage of people's distrust of bootcamps, thousands of people believed it, when he was no better off himself.
If I told everyone that bootcamps owned by investors sucked and Codesmith can be trusted because it's independent, and it was actually owned 70% by investors, who allegedly "stole" (Codesmith's word in the lawsuit) $3.9M, and you yourself made millions of dollars...
That's indeed wrong.
I don't care if you are independent or not.
I don't want companies to trick people.
Court documents indicate his compensation could have been $500,000 base per year plus up to 50% of profits.
I don't really care what his compensation is, but my point is about the transparency of that and the messaging he had around Codesmith's mission, etc...
For example he continuously claimed Codesmith was independent, when court records it was 70% owned by investors and that those investors got millions $3.9M paid to them.
Nothing wrong with business in America, I just push coding bootcamps for transparency because every time a white knight shows up they end up being a manipulative, money-hungry person in disguise.
Well the team isn't anymore qualified than anyone to do AI consulting so we'll see if they are successful at it.
The IRS contract means nothing as there are 6 companies and counting in that contract and they have to compete on actual work and haven't seen any receipts yet for that.
It's possible they didn't want to shut down the Codesmith brand so this is just like a holding company, shell/home for the briend.
Will Sentance seems like he's completely moved on to physical AI, manufacturing plants in the mid-west, robot hackatons, Oxford Fellow, Stanford Fellow.
Amazing how quickly he moved on from Codesmith and abandoned everything after personally making millions of dollars (based on court filling estimations) off of Codesmith.
The sad problem is that out of the $50M Codesmith approximately/estimate made in pure student tuition, millions of that went into Will Sentance's pockets and…
Pulse Check? I'm not seeing any signs of life from these bootcamps, and I wanted to do a check if anyone is a 2026 student/grad of these programs.
These are on Course Report's "top bootcamps of 2026" list that do not have a single review IN 2026 and I'm struggling to find people who actually went there in 2026.
Codesmith (excluding Future Code)
Fullstack
Coding Temple
Codeworks
Icon Hack
1. Formation is a technology platform that support practice and mentorship in pretty many any information area, and we have been exploring other areas, like this one [https://formation.dev/ai-native-ea](https://formation.dev/ai-native-ea)
2. For SWEs - we're seeing more and more senior, strong background engineers coming to us because there is fierce competition for those senior jobs. We have thousands of pieces of content and are constantly adapting to the changing landscape.
There is zero excuse for this.
The number of times Codesmith has fucked up and promised "audits" and other things and then continued to spew out user information is ridiculous.
Will Sentence has to own this, take responsibility, fix it, prevent it from happening again.
Until then, absolutely zero defence.
CODESMITH: Can you please shut down CSX? It's spewing out user data and content and hasn't been updated in years.
Codesmith's "free learning platform" that they claim can get you an "entry level job" by completing is one of the worst pieces of software I've seen in ed-tech.
For example, this URL gives the ENTIRE CONTENT IN ITS ENTIRETY away in a single click: [https://csx.codesmith.io/api/yaml/all](https://csx.codesmith.io/api/yaml/all)
This isn't a secret or a hack, it's literally just fetched when you login to load all the content and is freely available to the internet, no authentication.
Next, anyone can just grab all the user data for any user they want.
For example, this is my user data: [https://csx.codesmith.io/users/95526](https://csx.codesmith.io/users/95526) and I give you permission to open it and look at it.
DO NOT look at other users data because that can be a gray a…
</BOOTCAMPS> ❤️ OFFICIAL MEMORIAL POST: share this around and tell your old bootcamp stories in the comments. So we can close the bootcamp chapter on a positive note.
I asked **CIRR 30 days ago** where the 2024-25 **missing reports** are. I did not get a response. This tells me CIRR is dead and its flagship Codesmith is dead. Other bootcamps we've lost are: Rithm, Turing, Codeup, Kenzie, Launch Academy, Momentum, Alchemy, Epicodus, Lighthouse Labs, 2U/Trilogy, Lambda School, and more.
Unlike the embarrassing end that CIRR and Codesmith are experiencing - too ashamed to end on a positive note and instead end in layoffs and utter silence, I want things to end on a positive.
If you graduated from a coding bootcamp in the past, and it changed your life, TELL US YOUR STORY. No selling or shilling, just tell us how coding impacted your life and in the right time and right place your bootcam…
there's a few related things in New York City because there's enough density but it is very hard to find any boot camp that has any in person anymore.
it's not even about the like quality of the learning. it's that renting space for a large group of people in a density is extremely expensive and most boot camps are dead now and they don't even exist and the ones that are on life support don't have the money to pay for that lease.
Codesmith was allegedly paying like $75,000 a month for their lease in New York City that they dropped and left the state entirely. so if you need like four students a month just to pay your lease. never mind all of your staff that's not going to work when you have like a handful of enrollments a year now.
it does sound like taking a community college course might be a good thing for you like to look at. it'll cost significantly less. the material will be…
this link: [https://prachub.com/?utm\_source=reddit&utm\_campaign=andy](https://prachub.com/?utm_source=reddit&utm_campaign=andy)
note the utm\_source = reddit and the utm\_campaign = andy.
This was something that some account was doing with Codesmith, posting links all across Reddit pretending to be a "student" sharing a helpful link, and the link contained UTM params like this. I called them out and the person said they got the link from the Codesmith subreddit, so I searched the sub Reddit exhaustively and found no such link... confronted again... the person stopped posting and didn't reply.
I'm royally pissed off at Lars Lofgren for spreading such bullshit about my moderation because he has no fucking idea how to moderate Reddit - or he does and just wants good guys like me gone so he can get away with his sketchy stuff himself?
Will is a gifted lecturer. He's terrible at running a business: [https://michaelnovati.substack.com/p/a-response-to-lars-lofgrens-codesmith](https://michaelnovati.substack.com/p/a-response-to-lars-lofgrens-codesmith)
I bet you didn't know he allegedly sold 70% of Codesmith to investors in 2015.
I recommended many people go to Codesmith and the story is false. Don't be scammed.
Codesmith doesn't have any non-Future Code activity that I see in the past few months... maybe a handful of students? Most of the people on their website aren't employed there anymore.
I didn't talk about Codesmith for months and things got WORSE.
People didn't realize how I recommended so many people go there.
Codesmith leaders really focused on the wrong thing here and I blame Will Sentance.
People have been shocked to see all the stuff he withheld during this time.
There is a lot of stuff going on, but yes, Lars Lofgren's garbage work that appears to be spoon fed to him by Codesmith is all exposed yes.
Either he published the stuff they sent him without fact checking, or he's just a terrible "investigative journalist"
And either way, his credibility is gone in my opinion because neither excuse is valid.
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Well read this before you trust Lars Lofgren with anything... https://michaelnovati.substack.com/p/a-response-to-lars-lofgrens-codesmith
I'm not a perfect human, but I'm fully transparent, honest, direct... wear my heart on my sleeve.
Lars has a black-hat mind and trying to pull me down to his level.
A Response to Lars Lofgren's Codesmith Piece
Lars Lofgren is not a reliable source of reporting. He is an SEO marketer who claims to know all the black had tricks on Reddit and falsely assumes my actions are textbook examples of his own strategies.
He's trying to turn a Reddit good guy into a villain to cover up his own sketchy SEO practices... conflict of interest?
He displayed malicious intent by calling me out with incorrect facts and intentionally not requesting comment from me and blocking me online when the piece came out. Violating standard Journalism Ethics Guidelines.
I was doing research into Lambda but another person published and I stopped then. People are starting to send me stuff about Gauntlet and I'm asking questions.
I never had any issue whatsoever looking into bootcamps because they had no conflict of interest, but Gauntlet overlaps more in 'upsklling' or helping existing engineers so I have to be more careful to maintain transparency.
People are telling me about a lot of non-engineers doing Gauntlet so if it's really a bootcamp in disguise, it's fair game. If it's more competitive with my company then I have to run in by legal.
Based on the whole Lars Lofgren bullshit though, like it might not be worth it... very torn between trying to help people but if all it gets me is negative attacks, I have to weight if it's worth it.
The 118m is a total maximum for all partners for all 5 years of the BPA, and historically BPAs pay only a fraction of that.
What this looks like is that the IRS allocated $118M to a big bucket for hiring people and upskilling people over the next 5 years but with zero commitment to how that happens yet.
The IRS has a large contract with Palantir to modernize stuff already that is separate for example and maybe that works better than expected.
So the partners that have been around for 10 years doing government contracting have expertise in this.
The new people who have like 3 employees and chatgpt heo to do it have zero value to offer
Which is my point in another thread. I think Codesmith and Gauntlet benefit more by making it seem like they are partnered with the IRS for legitimacy and they probably won't make a lot of money from this.
The people who have taught five other government agencies about COBOL already have an edge, even if Codesmith or Gauntlet could do a better job... the cost of them developing the COBOL expertise to teach it at the bar they want might not even break even for them financially.
Like I said, maybe Gauntlet has the cash to burn to build that position. Codesmith doesn't appear to given the public appearance of no or few non-Future Code students there recently.
It's not like the movie War Dogs haha!
The IRS has had so many cuts and freezes I really don't think they are dishing out millions for garbage. I think they are creating a highly competitive process to get all the services they want for the cheapest possible price.
Gauntlet claims to be doing well so they might have the money to underprice but being in a competitive business is not the way to make money.
Mom&Pop corner restaurants often don't make it.
Having a monopoly is how you make money.
I feel like this is probably a trap.
Codesmith's press release about "being selected" was fully of blatant manipulations of the truth and given then full pivot to "enterprise" and the fact that they made a Case Study document of all of their IRS work they claim to have done (which government sources still show as $0 paid out), it seems like the play here is to leverage the IRS branding to try…
This isn't a loan at all no.
The way it works is the IRS has earmarked $118M of budget towards a huge bucket of AI initiatives.
As they carve out specific projects with specific dollar amounts, the partners will be able to pitch themselves and one or more will take the project.
It's possible the $118M won't be used up. In fact, historically, most BPAs do not use up anywhere near the allocated amount. It's there so that it's preserved on paper. But if priorities change or government shuts down or shrinks the IRS, etc... then its possible they pay out $0.
So in reality individual companies might get $0.
Codesmith said they had a huge vetting process and being selected was a sign of how good Codesmith is, but looking at the growing list of companies... it seems like everyone with their paperwork in order will get a chance and that the real competition is for delivering future results,…