Oh wow that's unfortunate and ouch... like kicking the bootcamp industry while it's down :(
I feel so bad being real about the industry right now, I don't want to be this way, but people looking to spend $20K on a bootcamp need to know how it is before making that choice.
I feel even worse when alumni and staff from Codesmith go after me for telling the truth about this stuff. Coordinated downvoting my comments because they think they are bad intentioned :(
Yeah you know I respect your path too and good luck!
I think things have really changed with the alumni graduating now and late 2023 that talk to me.
I think the layoffs in Q3/Q4 really hit a lot of people hard. Some loyal instructors were let go, a bunch of career support people left too, so there apparently are fewer people to talk to, instructors have an eye on backup plans.
I know I annoy them by expressing my views on all this so openly because I get the vibe Codesmith does NOT want to talk about this stuff.
Our debates 2 years ago are tame compared to the stuff I'm getting now 😞
Congrats on your trajectory! Would love to hear more about how you got the first job. I work with some people self taught and we found that they often have equal or better outcomes than bootcamp grads (NOT ENOUGH DATA TO MAKE A CONCLUSION ON THIS) and it's interesting to me.
I couple of people have told me about weird interactions with Will that resulted in them staying clear of Codesmith, like he had note card of facts about people that he paused and looked up in front of them when he met them?
But I'm an extremely socially anxious person and sometimes a bit awkward and it might just be his personality or sense of humor too.
I would say in general though the second largest anecdotal complaint I get is social pressure to participate is very off-putting if it's not for you. The examples reported to me are:
1. Trying really hard to make people turn cameras on. But passive aggressively…
It quite frankly is, I posted about this here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/codingbootcamp/comments/1dpyh7t/warning\_codesmith\_subreddit\_is\_mostly\_propaganda/](https://www.reddit.com/r/codingbootcamp/comments/1dpyh7t/warning_codesmith_subreddit_is_mostly_propaganda/)
OP was banned from their sub today because of their post HERE.
Common: no, most engineers went to a top CS school
They then looked at the best engineers at Meta, looked at the schools they went to, and then recruited from those schools.
BUT, a number of "best of the best" engineers either didn't have a CS degree or went to a not well known school at all.
The theory was the best of the best will find Meta or Meta will find them through acquisitions or because they like hacked into Meta and were offered a job.
The best way to get in right now without a top CS degree is to get another job for 2 years and then apply for the Rotational Engineer program. At Formation, we've sent maybe 10+ people through there and it's super super ideal for non traditional grads with 2+ YOE at non-top tier companies.
I messaged him after Codesmith declined to comment on if Alex had Zoox's approval to do the curriculum yeah so I put even more work into it. But time-wise very little time.
Yeah doesn't have a problem being connected to his DSML work, he just doesn't want it to be implied that he is currently working on it or recently worked on it as it's fireable and worse at Zoox to create IP relevant to your job without permission.
I sent him all of the links that made it seem like he was more recently involved and Codesmith has since modified those, including the blog you linked to, that was modified as a result of this.
The title of that blog post changed from containing Alex Zai's name, and you can see the remnant in the url.
Jared's name was not mentioned nearly that much in marketing materials it was all Alex Zai and a little James and Jared had significant involvement in DSML.
But the recen…
I have no doubt that's the vision. But they've published stats and only a tiny number of people at Codesmith didn't have a degree (single digit percentage?) and the majority cummulatively went to top public schools or presitigous private schools.
So it's more like a place for Ivy League people who changed their mind and want to quickly go into SWE than Ivy League for everyone.
I could talk for hours about this topic, it's super complicated but if that's the vision, I'm sure he speaks about it and it sounds awe inspiring but it's incredibly impractical and I could rip it apart piece by piece.
The first step to understanding all this is what unpacking what "gatekeeping" means.
It's not a group of privileged people intentionally trying to protect their jobs and culture and exclude outsiders.
Second is to unpack these top 1% jobs. The are paid so highly because it's a free market. If e…
I mean laws and laws and everything in the USA requires interpretation.
But I don't think anyone can possibly say that an institution has integrity if it's paying people to write reviews. And maybe that's why the bootcamp industry is so messed up.
Stanford isn't paying people to write reviews.
If you want to do this a better way you create a prize with Course Report (anonymously) where a random person who submits any review to any school will be chosen for some kind of prize.
This is an incentive that isn't biased to one school and is an effort by the Platform to increase content on it even if one school secretly funded this because they think they will benefit from some of those new reviews.
Well Codesmith is absurdly selective and creates a community of tight knit people that support each other.
Sounds exactly what he did - simulate the Ivy League gatekeeping model where he is now the gatekeeper and selects the most brilliant people from non-tech backgrounds and gets them into tech.
Nothing wrong with that, it's a good idea that has gotten some exceptional people (I've worked with some of them later on!) into tech much faster and easier than traditional paths.
I'm not a lawyer either and I chatgpt'd to try to analys it in forming my opinion. I think my opinion is reasonable but open for debate and I still don't agree with your interpretation either haha.
But I concede it's not explicitly stated "you cannot be paid directly or indirectly" for reviews.
Zooming out, let's say Course Report says this is totally fine (I reported it to them already). I'm going to post about it, and I don't think it will look good. Someone has to take responsibility for manipulating online reviews whether everyone else does it or not.
I know at my company we have never once offered anyone anything to write a review. We used to indirectly say long ago 'Reviews are important for people deciding on their options, consider writing one on quora' but I felt that was even not good so we removed it. We don't do it, and I'm offended others and everyone can be wrong even if…
The list of recent Codesmith placements is much more of 'intern', 'it analyst', 'program manager', 'technical writer', 'apprentice'. There are still SWE jobs, but people who had committed to a bootcamp a year ago are really struggling and taking whatever jobs they can get. And this is on top of the fact that placement rates are down significantly
The story needs to be told because celebrating the 15% of success cases only is misleading.
I actually think your questions are fine and good to stimulate discussion. But you can't win in this sub. People are suspicious about scams they should be questioning everyone, it's just not a fun place right now now :(
I agree it's not explicitly stated literally as not allowed, but these are two places imo. This is good discussion and I appreciate being asked - I should have shared this first so people can judge from first hand source.
1. "Write a Review" page: https://www.coursereport.com/write-a-review.
"I certify this review is based on my own experience and is my genuine opinion of this school, and that I have no personal or business relationship with this establishment. "
- Being paid to write a review is a relationship IMO
2. TOS: [https://www.coursereport.com/terms-of-service](https://www.coursereport.com/terms-of-service)
"You agree that you will not upload, post, transmit, distribute or otherwise publish through the Site or any service or feature made available on or through the Site, any materials which \[...\] constitute or contain false or misleading indications of origin, endorsemen…
Someone who worked there said they have people good at "finding people" specifying more details, and they try to track you down and correct.
Someone wrote a fairly negative view on here "anonymously", they found the person and offered them a high paying contract job at Codesmith, which the person accepted. This was shared with me by the person themselves and not second hand information. I'm sure the job was actually good intentioned to help someone struggling, but the person perceived it as being paid off.
They're definitely some successful alumni who graduated in 2023 the number of people getting really good jobs from my personal view smaller than in the past but it's not zero.
The people who are getting placed, though are not super keen on broadcasting into the world because they know that some other best friends and people who they were in the trenches with during the immersive didn't get placed and I think that's actually holding them back from talking. I also know some people who wouldn't recommend Codesmith at this time who got pretty good jobs eventually, but wow, it was a rough journey. Finally, I know people who are really exaggerating their resumes and they just don't even care or feel bad about it anymore because they have absolutely nothing to lose and they would just leave the industry entirely otherwise.
... I guess shit show of the market pretty much summarizes all this…
Codesmith paying for reviews was something I knew about and documented but no one has shared with me the exact text.
You might be doxxing yourself with that date and maybe should edit it to XX because they told different people different dates to stagger the reviews and they only sent this to people placed.
Thank you for publicly sharing because this was something people talked about in confidence and I could share yet.
I spent too much time trying to people but if others want to DM about this, I'll do a top level post sometime when I catch up a bit over the weekend.
I have careful documentation of all of this too and it's desperate. Codesmith is not doing well, not filling their cohorts even though they have reduced them significantly.
They lowered the price of JSB and CSPrep to get more people into them even though JSB Flex videos are entirely free anyways in their website (unless this is an engineering mistake, there are so many odd engineering choices and user information being shared out from their website all over... I'm operating the assumption that this is all intentional because it's so widespread and pervasive it would be incompetent otherwise)
Before attacking me, look into the mirror Codesmith. If Hack Reactor was setup this way would you think they are the best of the best and maybe look within and fix things before coming after me.
Alumni: if you hate me at least try to understand what I'm saying and think about it s bit.
I 100% agree people should respectfully question me and push me. I'm one of the most responsive people on Reddit and I'm here to talk reasonably.
My company works with people later on in their careers and the more people that go to bootcamps, the more people that come to us. So I feel like I have major bias to promote bootcamps and not take them down.
Now others seem to feel I'm here to take down bootcamps so my company is the only option left.
I strongly disagree with that but people can share their opinions, all I ask is that people can see all sides fairly and judge for themselves and that people present evidence for their beliefs for why they feel that way.
Prove that my involvement in the sub has boosted my business. Prove that people are leaving Codesmith or other bootcamps in droves to come to my business. They aren't so there is no proof! Just people trolling.
Yeah, I mean they are increasing AI based stuff and mods don't have that much control. They collapsed someone's comment about me because she was flagged as a highly suspicious account likely trying to break the rules. I don't know how they determined that whatsoever and cannot do anything about her comment.
10% fight publicly for it, work there, keep in the community, keep doing talks and calls, etc... and "stay in the family"
Many more are positive or neutral-positive about Codesmith, thought it was worth it because of their outcome but not the content or the advice and they move on after settling into their careers.
I'm also bias there because the people that move on come to be too lol. The largest groups of people coming to me on a weekly basis are current students or recent alumni venting about something, and then older alumni who trust me because they feel like my analysis is spot on and want my advice about the industry.
I think it's about 10% of alumni and it's because they credit Codesmith with changing their lives. And I don't argue it didn't. Something can change your live and not be perfect.
The people that just can't acknowledge that are going to have a lot of problems later on in their careers, lots of struggles with progression. Codesmith is far too early to see that yet.
With $130K salaries come layoffs at the drop of a hat, and other negative things that will need to be confronted.
I've worked with a lot of alumni that love Codesmith. Both officially and unofficially and some more directly than others. I have no idea if they like me as person but I think they understand better where I'm coming from once actually getting to know me.
It's really sad that the staff are so locked in. I was talking to Eric Kirsten over email a bit but that died off when Will yelled at me for 3 minutes straight in a public talk and banished me from the community forever.
I didn't auto hide anything and I didn't touch any settings for this post or any comments or any users.
Reddit identifies and hides accounts it thinks are sketchy and maybe that's why the comment was collapsed. Our subreddit at the top level has typical Reddit filters on and they have been improving their algorithms over the past few months.
Hi, unlike in your sub, I'm not going to ban you and delete this for "lies" because I want to try to get more on the same page. Feel free to DM me if you want to talk more because this comment is making me really sad the way you are characterizing what I'm saying and we're on very different pages.
1. I'm sorry Andrea feels that way. I honestly have no idea who she is, other than that she's a moderator of the sub and I apologize if she felt attacked by that statement.
I do stand by the statement, that it was shared as the official rules and the entire body is written as "we". I have documented the post for myt archived and think that a reasonable person would interpret this the way I did. If she didn't mean to post on behalf of Codesmith, she can edit the post to clarify that as well. I'll also edit my copy to remove references to that post to help reset that.
2. A number of people who…
This is a totally fair comment so it wouldn't deleted and you shouldn't feel that way. I think it's an excellent comment with a tone open for discussion, I wish more of them were like this!
1. Codesmith's co-founder Alex Zai, told me to clear the record that he is not currently involved in the AI curriculum and hasn't been since DSML shutdown, and specifically that Zoox is not involved in any way in the curriculum either nor has he worked on since working at Zoox.
He told me that he asked Codesmith to not represent that he is working on this currciulum.
I don't have an analogy for you but maybe it's like Juliard saying they have a brand new course created by Adam Driver, when Adam Driver created some materials years ago when he was TA'ing and those materials were used inside of this new course.
I think that's wrong.
2. My data is showing about 45% of people in H1 2023 getting jobs…
These are all good questions I'm more than happy to answer.
First, why do we have the average compensation increase and not the average.
we're working with people coming from all kinds of backgrounds and situations and we think the best way to capture their outcome is to show the change relative to where they started.
otherwise we would have to try to bucket people into a bunch of very granular buckets of similar type people and then show some average about how they did in absolute terms. We could try to do that but the buckets change constantly and the people we are working with now are very experienced. the people we worked with a year ago had maybe 1 to 2 years of experience on average and now the people have 5 to 10 years of experience on average. So because these buckets are moving and changing all the time, we don't feel that showing those. give you a pulse for how things are d…
Maybe I'm taking it too literally, but in the exact same font size and UI formatting we have the average outcome right beside the number you're talking about. So to me not acknowledging that fact and stating that
>"I said it was deceptive marketing to show one huge salary number on your companys homepage instead of average results"
Now there could be misunderstandings, or we're not on the same page, but I've said this a number of times and you've said the same thing a number of times - which is why that starts to become harassment.
Do you have more questions about these numbers we can sort out if it's a misunderstanding and not harassment?
This sub doesn't have explicitly clear rules so there is subjectivity in their interpretation. I often message the mod thread to discuss things I'm not sure about.
DMs are not required no, I'm suggesting it as a tool when there is conflict becuase it can help for both sides to see where each other is coming from.
I said that I repeatedly clarified things about my company that you did not acknowledge and kept saying the same things, which to me is analogous if someone says "stop doing X, it's bothering me" and you ignore them and keep doing it.
I sent those posts directly to the other mods and told them to examine them because I'm biased. They have yet to approve them...
I've received a ton of screenshots and texts over the years and I still don't have a good picture. I think it's a combination of the folllowing:
1. Primarily - alumni are the product Codesmith (i.e. the community IS the product, not the education) makes and the ones most bought in where the product works they protect Codesmith fervently.
2. Leaders share around some of my post and ask people or imply they should 'help out the community'. Or calling me a 'jealous hater', or that 'when you are the best people always want to take you down', stuff like that.
"I'd rather that then spend hours discussing some beef a keyboard warrior has with some random company"
I'm genuinely not here for hours, this is like priority 10 on my list
I felt personally attacked when you said that.
Maybe you can DM me and we can talk about this and you can see where I'm coming from? You're making a false connection that I have this been to promoted my company. It's just not true. I can see how you might see that if you just look up backgrounds, but without talking to me about it, it's not helping move things forward to the better community you are asking for.
Again, if you were in the Codesmith subreddit you would get banned and deleted, and all you would see are positive comments supporting me.
If you ignore me and don't discuss, you will be banned.
Do you think that world would be better, if all the negative comments (whether they support me or not) are deleted and the authors re banned?
The history is that I was made a mod because it was becoming a cease pool of spam and negativity and I was tasked with improving it.
1. If you weren't here before then please explain how it got that way before I was a mod?
2. In the spirit of transparency, what's your agenda for being here if you 20 years of industry experience?
The fact that you calling this out without even talking to me has the same pattern as the Codesmith people
I saw a video once of Will Sentance from 7-8 years ago where he had almost the exact same language. I think it's one of those things that if you tell yourself the same thing for 8 years you believe it.
Either it's incompetence at not understanding the levels and confidently calling 61 senior - even though the speaker herself says 61 is "mid-level", or it's intentional manipulation. I don't think the CEO is incompetent, so...
And yeah, the talk was awesome, the alumni is awesome, it's sad she's being used for marketing in this way, she deserves better.
I think all three of those programs mentioned are very different and can co-exist rather than fight. Rithm is very small right now and I don't think they are fighting anybody haha. Launch School is heavily run by the founder Chris and is also small and capped size, and I think they will get by.
Right now, from my estimates (no hard numbers) Codesmith is about the enrollment numbers of Launch School (maybe 1.5X larger because of part time) but from my estimates has 5X more full time staff. So I'm most concerned about Codesmith surviving without more layoffs or without a major pivot.
Codesmith is the only one going big on AI, however there isn't any signal from the industry what AI skills they want, and interview processes haven't adapted to test for AI skills either, so they might be betting on 'Web3 blockhain' like Lambda School did. It's entirely possible that the AI skills companies…
I agree that for profit business are companies and they have to make money, and they can make money in a win-win way that improves the overall economy and people's lives, but that marketing isn't something bad or evil or despicable, it's normal.
I have the same advice with reading any bootcamps outcomes. I'm very on top of TripleTen because their stats are carefully worded too (and also not lying or false, just worded well by a marketer).
We need people having reasonable and thoughtful discussions about these things openly to move the industry forward.
The bootcamp industry is barely surviving right now and using marketing to convince more people to join to keep it alive isn't going to solve the systemic market problems that are stopping bootcamp grads.
I've said this once or twice now but Codesmith might have a good angle with getting people into non-SWE technical jobs, or with leve…
I don't think I am at all whatsoever, but whether I was or not, it doesn't mean I'm wrong.
A lot of Codesmith people love me and lot hate me and I try to build bridges with those that don't like me because we can do far more working together positively than apart.
But in a world of Lambda School have a lot of problems, you all need rational and reasonable looks at bootcamps - the GOOD and the BAD and not only look at the good. People are making huge life decisions and spending a ton of money on these things.
I've said this before but I posted a report about Launch School and no one cared because it was super boring. Codesmith stuff turns into mega discussions with anonymous accounts coming out of nowhere.
⚠️ WARNING: Codesmith subreddit is mostly propaganda (resharing Codesmith content without full context and boosting with positive comments from accounts that mostly post about Codesmith only). Challenges and negative comments are called "lies" and you get banned. BE SMART AND THINK CRITICALLY.
NOTE: I'm not saying the content itself isn't true or that it's bad intentioned, but I am saying that it's marketing material that missing context and it's likely the people sharing it don't even realize this. I've accumulated a lot of information over the years and while I see a **A LOT OF GOOD THINGS CODESMITH IS DOING,** the outcomes have changed dramatically in 2023-2024 and these materials are not reflecting that.
**DISCLAIMER: these are my personal opinions using publicly available information and my own insights.**
**MODERATOR NOTE: any comments talking about my own company will be delete…
I can connect you with some of the people to find out. $2.5K a month is by far the most expensive option and most people choose a package (you can see more options in post-application stage) but the pricing is meant to be a range of pricing for a very very wide range of circumstances. If you are time sensitive you are looking at different options than if you want unlimited support. And if you want unlimited support you can balance between paying all upfront and paying half based on how much we increase your salary.
We're far from perfect but we're working hard to support engineers and we feel we have a good product and experience and we make hundreds of changes every week to adjust to the market and to improve the experience based on feedback.
The main reason though is if you are a senior engineer and super busy, you can just dial into Formation based on your schedule dynamically every…
No one should be choosing Formation over a bootcamp at all.
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We work with people to support their goals. Right now we have observed very clearly that there is no systematic way for people with no experience to get jobs and we therefore don't take new people with no experience. We still have people with us with under a year of experience for 1.5ish years because of our indefinite support promise.
We had three ex Facebook senior engineers start recently, current Google Manager, like these are not people considering Codesmith, Hack Reactor, Springboard, etc...
Or are you saying they are? That a staff engineer at Meta is choosing between Codesmith and Formation? They are choosing between Interview Kickstart and Formation.
I don't really know how to explain this more clearly, but I'll keep trying because I don't want anyone coming to us for the wrong thing, it's a waste of everyone's tim…
There's a difference between saying "my opinion is that the numbers on your website are deceptive" and "your numbers are deceptive"
unless a person currently contains evidence that the numbers are illegally deceptive then one of these statements is an opinion that is totally fine and the other is libel.
Those comments were deleted because the person is personally attacking in the comments and was previously warned. In my opinion, it's the equivalent of misgendering someone intentionally or calling someone a nickname they asked you to not call them. I flagged this to the other moderators in case they have different opinions and want to allow them.
Here are the most recent placement submission, in order unedited that I grabbed, and redacted tiny companies. Our outcomes are incredibly strong. The time it takes to get them is very long.
Meta
\[REDACTED STARTUP\]
Amazon
Meta
Atlassian
Paylocity
Disney
\[REDACTED STARTUP\]
Netflix
Gusto
Amazon
Western Union
Meta
Microsoft
Microsoft
Willow
\[REDACTED STARTUP\]
Reddit
\[REDACTED STARTUP\]
Microsoft
Strider Technologies
NVIDIA
Meta
I have conversations with a number of bootcamp staff and leaders from many places because I have a presence in the industry.
Both as a leader of this subreddit, as one of the former top engineers at Meta, as someone who works with bootcamp grads from all the programs later on in their careers.
If someone was talking about me or my company, I would have engaged them on the first message to talk about it and understand each other's point of view. If the person refused to talk to me and kept going, then I would call them out and ask why.
Build bridges not walls.
I can't speak for people, the vast majority start of with: 'I'm a codesmith grad/alumni/etc... and I really appreciate you presenting things as they are. I don't agree with some of the advice and I'm majorly struggling and I feel like Codesmith isn't helping if I don't follow the norms, can you help'
And then I try genuinely hard to advise and help the people and get into conversations.
Imagine I was an anonymous account that posted this.
If you understand Formation really well, please suggest the outcomes we should be presenting and how we should handle the situations I explained above, as I explained above, we haven't figured it out it yet and that's why I'm open to engaging with people to talk about it. Instead of Will's attitude of ban and ignore. He hasn't ONCE contacted me directly to explain ANYTHING.
Downvoting without understanding doesn't make people right.
So Codesmith genuinely has good intentions, and they do some things incredibly well. They do a lot of things not very well. That's reasonable, no company is perfect.
I believe in every number Codesmith presents is trying to be accurate, while also being marketing and that is maybe a similarity to Lambda School. Austen presenting what he felt was accurate information spun in very interesting ways - ex. 100% of cohort placed with very small sample size (not revealing sample size of 1)
Ultimately it comes down to outcomes. If you have good material to work with, and spin the marketing positively, then you have success. If you don't have good outcomes and spin the marketing, you end up potentially with problems and people being mislead.
Codesmith continues to have good outcomes relative to it's peers in the bootcamp industry, however the elephant in the room is that the INDUSTRY is doing…
Line by Line Rebuttal to Codesmith CEO dodging question about placement rates in a challenging market
**DISCLAIMER: these views are my personal opinions as I see them and they don't represent anyone but me.**
u/WillSen If you call yourself the best of the best, you need to hold yourself to that bar and respect others who are holding you to that bar too by responding with facts and arguments to every challenge rather than ban people who point out things you don't want to answer. I'm unable to reply in the Codesmith subreddit because I'm permanently banned.
Anyways, someone asked the Codesmith CEO in an AMA today [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/codesmith/comments/1dofj3a/comment/la9fv9w/)
>There has been a large share of skepticism towards the results that Codesmith claims to produce with job acquisition rates, salaries, etc. since the company does not share its raw data, e.g., claimin…
1. What documentation is required for "Limited or no prior experience with the basics of coding and no paid professional web development, software engineering, or similar experience"?
If someone is lying to you and the city but went to a bootcamp and has an extensive portfolio, will they be allowed in?
2. Did the City of New York sign off on having people publicly post personal creative pieces to an unofficial non-Codesmith controlled sub-reddit?
Your CEO made it sound like this is part of the application that is required: "I also want to shout out the amazing creative applications I’m seeing for Future Code on the sub."https://www.reddit.com/r/codesmith/comments/1dnmohm/comment/la3kxr7/
Can you elaborate on the "slightly shifty resume" means for your?
I'm also seeing this that unless you shifty-it-up to 2 YOE, you won't get any callbacks.
I'm trying to shout this loud and clear - and that Codesmith grads taking non-SWE jobs isn't because they are getting "modern engineer" roles and is because they aren't get SWE roles because they don't exist.
I think self paced part time like Launch School Core is a good idea. Part time structured like HR and Codesmith are crazy intense.
I can't imagine going to Codesmith 4 hours a day M to T and Saturdays for 9 months straight.
It kind of just stretches things out a bit but doesn't solve the fundamental problem of being ready when you are ready and the market is ready and going up and down with the life
I'm maybe biased by the mastery based approach so take it with a grain of salt but I think it's a strong argument for this approach right now.
When you have self paced arbitrary programs you can't really have outcomes reporting to compare between programs.
It depends on 1. your goals, 2. your starting point, 3. your learning style, 4. your location
Generally speaking though things aren't going great amongst the top bootcamps so this comment might need updating and might not hold true over the long term.
SOME OPTIONS OF DIFFERENT STYLES ACROSS THE THREE AREAS YOU MENTIONED:
1. Rithm: small classes, reasonable but tough number of hours per day, high on the teaching side
2. Launch School: starts with a self paced mastery program called core and then ends with Capstone, which is a normal "bootcamp" style program focused on building open source projects. They have very strong outcomes because you do Core first and they only let in people they are confident it will work for. The projects you build are the most robust I've seen and probably wins on the portfolio side.
3. Codesmith: I completely stopped recommending two weeks ago so I wouldn'…