Hello! Good observation.
The junior market isn't completely gone or being completely replaced by AI. The top tech companies are hiring INTERNS from the top schools and those people are getting entry level jobs and progressing.
The thing that changed is instead of it being like 5 juniors : 2 mid levels : 1 senior, the ratios are more like 2 juniors: 2 mid levels: 1 senior.
And I think AI makes those ratios work rather than just flat out replacing the juniors.
It's all money at the end of the day - junior engineers LOSE MONEY at top tier companies, but the reason they got hired is that the 2 year investment to get them productive broke even and paid off afterwards.
AI can both help and hurt that. It can help by making juniors progress FASTER and be break even SOONER. But it can also empower mids and seniors to be more productive themselves and raise the bar of what "break even" expect…
Hi, I didn't co-founder a bootcamp so I don't know. My partner started a bootcamp in 2017 and it closed in 2019 and we together started Formation to help people in the industry already prepare for interviews and level up, rather than trying to do 0 to 1.
I agree that bootcamps aren't working right now. Just this morning Turing School announced they are shutting down abruptly. Codesmith has lost most of it's staff and instructors and they say they aren't going anywhere, but things clearly aren't good. App Academy and Launch Academy are both still paused for all SWE programs.
To me, the bootcamp era is over and I agree with you.
That said, even though the bootcamp MODEL doesn't work, there are INDIVIDUALS that are gifted or have the work ethic to outwork 99% of their peers to succeed and those people don't need a bootcamp to transition into tech, but they just need something small to…
Hey,
1. It's oversaturated for entry level and not for experienced engineers. My personal approach here isn't to choose the markable area but to win in your best area. Whatever is your 10X area you have raw passion for and want to do the most, do that, and then outwork 99% of your peers to be the person that stands out in that area.
2. I don't know enough about the latest cybersecurity roles, other than just reading the reports that it's in demand :P. I'm not seeing changes in demand at the FAANG companies (it always was in demand!). If you are considering bootcamps and just want to get into tech and not necessarily be a SWE, I would strongly look into it - don't listen to marketing - actually dig into it and considering it.
Hi 👋,
* 3 years of experience as a SWE should line you up nicely for an E4 Mid Level Meta SWE role. You can also consider their adjacent roles like Partner Engineer and Business Engineer if you get rejected from the normal E4 "Product Engineer", "Infrastructure Engineer" roles.
* There is absolutely a bias against bootcamp grads - I've seen it bluntly from close friends who are recruiters. And the reason is because bootcamp grads OVERALL don't perform as well on the job because they are behind in experience. It's not personal and not about potential.
* So I would probably exclude them and focus on your current job, the most important things are
* **1. SHOW CAREER PROGRESSION (if you got promoted, don't just list you highest title, but show the dates and show you progressed quickly up the later)**
* **2. IDEALY DON'T JOB HOP - staying at the same company and progressing is much better…
Hi,
Mistakes people make:
* Jumping around too much based on what they read online. i.e. jumping from certifications -> projects -> open source -> courses.
* Rushing through things thinking they understand it. I find people have to review the same concept a number of times patiently over time before it sticks and that's GOOD.
* Putting too much work into looking superficially good on paper over the substance of what you do (i.e. building a portfolio you think will look good)
* Lying on resumes to get the first job
How to avoid?
* Focus - do a breadth first search to find what path is likely to be good for you (i.e. certifications -> consulting, or open source -> open source companies, or leetcode/fundamentals focused -> top tier company), and then stick to it to the end. If you were wrong, you'll struggle, but you have a higher chance of making it over someone who does 25% of every…
I'm not selling anything and responding personally and because this is a community I moderate and am most active in. I put something in the disclaimer but I can edit that to make it clearer.
Formation is an interview prep mentorship program for SWEs with 2 years of experience and not a bootcamp or a product for bootcamp grads. So there is some overlap, but I'm not planning on answering questions about that or talking about it in my responses.
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Here's the blunt truth: The hiring landscape in tech has drastically shifted in 2025. The bootcamp-to-job pipeline and the LeetCode grind have both been heavily disrupted by AI. These changes broke…
Yes, I said "did something" because their LinkedIn has two other SWE jobs during the time he was at Hyperloop and one Data Scientist job that overlaps that timeframe as well.
He also says he was driving for Uber but his LinkedIn he was an "analyst" at Uber for 3 years.
Like all in all this is a good path but there seems to be a heck of a lot more to this story than he said in the video.
Which is what I see very commonly with Codesmith grads. Their stories on these blogs and videos don't match what these people say on paper.
Same with the Capital One one you are sharing. Great outcome but something in the story is not adding up.
I feel like everyone at Codesmith cares more about making up a story that looks like Codesmith helped these people get mid level and senior level jobs instead of acknowledging the reality of how it happens when it does happen.
1. This person was the equivalent of a top tier low mid-level/high entry level and while he said he had zero experience in that blog post, his LinkedIn says he had a year of "freelancing" experience, so he likely lied about his YOE to get the mid-level job and then performed well to get the senior job.
2. Codesmith alumni (outside of Codesmith itself) cheat on Cap1 interviews by sharing all of the questions they ask and having currently employees feed answers to people for those questions.
If he got promoted relatively quickly maybe he deserved the job! But to get the job it's more likely he "hustled" a lot to get it. Many people lie on resumes and cheat on interviews so this isn't a Codesmith thing, but since Codesmith denies any kind of supporting of cheating and lying, they can't get credit for helping with that piece, nor can they take credit for how smart this guy is inherently. S…
I'm that mod and I'll I'm going to say is you are "permanently suspended" and I highly suspect your account was one of the many astroturfing Reddit for Codesmith, adding evidence to my point.
My company doesn't do anything related to coding bootcamps and I write bad stuff about people being dishonest, sketchy, and lacking integrity.
I couldn't disagree more and this comment demonstrates a lack of understanding of how top tech companies work. Maybe it's how other companies work though. Like I know Capital One, which isn't like a top tech company but is a good company, has a very gamble process. Codesmith has so many people there that feed each other questions to prepare and game the process, specifically the System Design round which is very fact based and a small number of questions there. Codsmith grads have a document that contains these questions and they practice them with previous grads who work there. They also have a channel at Capital One to support each other because most have to lie to get past the resume screen and work with more junior peers who outperform them at first, and they use this channel to support each other.
Anyways, the interview process isn't a game of leetcode and saying what you need to d…
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Oh I mean I have no idea how serious it was or how often it was said. Or more details on why. And it might be Princeton, not Yale, I have to check my notes and I was on an airplane with terrible wifi. There are ivy league grads who go to Codesmith and do extremely well so I actually don't think that would be an absurd consideration to do it after graduation if you changed your mind about CS.
The link is about senior engineer titles which is a completely different topic, but falls under the marketing bluster, but has nothing to do with choosing Codesmith over an ivy league education.
1. Launch School Captsone 75% in 6 months in overlapping window.
So I disagree!
2. But even Launch School is upset at the decline from like 95% to 75% and acknowledges that as market impacted.
The thing is that paying $22.5K to go to Codesmith with a 43% chance of getting a job within 10 months from now, like it makes you ask if now is the time, if this will even work, etc...
No one is forcing anyone to do a SWE bootcamp and they might just not be rational anymore.
Like Codesmith was like $17K a few years ago and had like a 90% placement in 6 months. The math is ENTIRELY different than $22.5K and 43% chance.
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One of their advisors said in info session(s) that his son who went to Yale was considering Codesmith or wished he did Codesmith or something, so I don't think it's all bluster.
Look at this: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ9\_hxujtFQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ9_hxujtFQ)
1. Mid level "contractor" at Microsoft, not full time employee - called Senior Engineer
2. Codesmith instructor turned CS educator - called Senior Engineer
3. "Tech Entrepreneur"
4. Staff level manager - legit
It's continuous bluster!
Launch School Capstone had 75% placement within 6 months, so no these aren't fantastic. 6 months is an insane amount of time. That's $55K of opportunity cost as these salaries!!! So a drop is not good.
Codesmith has undergone turmoil to say the least internally but I think they have kept the instruction relatively consistent, so this could be more about the market than Codesmith.
But there is another option - no bootcamp, so doing the best they can in a bad market doesn't mean it's worth $22.5K
"Senior Software Engineer" at Cap1 === "Principal Analyst", they are the same level, which is what he was promoted into.
You need to have 4 years of experience to be senior at Cap1, and I personally have seen the resume of a grad that a Codesmith career services engineer helped him fake to show 4 years and be qualified for that role as he was not going to be considered without a resume showing that.
Carlos received a Senior Analyst Role, which corresponds to high entry level/low mid level at top tier companies compensation and scope-wise. "Senior Software Engineer" at Capital One is a different level and corresponds to Prinicipal Associate that he was promoted to.
I know at least one Codesmith grad who got a Senior Software Engineer role but he lied on his resume to show 4 years of work experience to get the job.
Similarly Carlos in that blog says he had zero experience yet his LinkedIn showed a large amount of experience, I think as a freelancer or something last I checked.
The biggest reading between the lines problem - which they also directly confront but the consequences re less clear - is that in 2022 - like a good 60% of people got jobs in 180 days AND reported salaries to Codesmith, whereas in 2023 - it's like 25% of people who got jobs in 180 days AND reported salaries.
So like imagine having a room full of 800 people and in 2022 you look around and people more likely than not had a job and was still in contact with everyone. In 2023 that number is like tanked.
So one level past the raw placement number is this concerning sign of disengagement, mass staff turnover, etc...
I think Codesmith is trying to navigate that and we'll see where they end up but I do think they need (and are) making a lot of changes and these 2023 results are not an affirmation that everything is working and it's JUST the market.
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I seriously think your a troll and I try really hard to treat everyone without assumptions, but like Reddit keeps flagging like ALL of you comments as 'may be from a spammer or someone likely to break rules'
I've repeatedly directly answers to you about what Formation is and what we do and why we don't have a concept of a placement rate so I can only assume you are a troll at this point.
CA 180 day was 42% or so and this is 43% or so, so they align really well.
I mean I feel bad for the companies too and there are many lessons that should have been learned but weren't.
Like when times were good, Codesmith was marketing that anyone who left CIRR it was because their outcomes got worse and that they were above them all by haveing 'transparency'. Now Codesmith's outcomes started tanking (based on 2023 data in California) they haven't published yet. I understand they are still planning on it, but it's April now and results have historically come out in March - last year was mid-late March for example.
It's very ironic, that after criticizing everyone for leaving CIRR, they push change the rules to 360 days and then they delay bad results. I expect they will still publish them, if they don't they should just shut down at this point... they have to life with the consequences of past decisions. They can delay them until they have some new data to ca…
https://www.reddit.com/r/codingbootcamp/comments/18cpq98/analysis_of_52_most_recent_codesmith_offers/
Been following since then and the same problem - arguably worse now as more people are placing after 12 months of job searching.
There are certainly people who believe the ends justify the means and don't have a problem with this but my problem is just be honest about how it works and don't present a facade of bullshit about creating mid level engineers out of nothing and being insanely defensive about it.
Just look at their blog that they released yesterday. Fantastic human being who had a life-changing transition that is undeniably a great outcome for the person.
but the story is presented in a completely misleading way. trying to make it seem like this person is crushing it in the industry based on how well codesmith prepared them.
Reading between the lines, it looks like the per…
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Codesmith people don't put Codesmith on their resume. They list their 3 week project as a year of work experience.
I like the idea though and if you actually did do this basically a fake resume that looks like you have 1 to 2 years of work experience. I bet you you will actually get a couple of callbacks and the strategy grads are relying on to get interviews.
When things were good this sub was full of "I got a $150K job, AMA" and people patting everyone on the back.
I think it's fine that this sub reflects reality and that's healthy.
I know how hard it is for people to break into the industry and if someone does - having a positive and supportive environment helps.
But quite frankly - almost everyone who is considering that change right now probably shouldn't. Positive vibes and pats on the back won't get you jobs like they used to.
The bootcamp OP mentioned, Codesmith, is struggling with this right now, because it's a positive and supportive place. The CEO said in a video recently that students are basically paying to have unconditional "you can do it support". This worked so well for new people, who had low confidence in their coding, and a lot of potential. It's not working now at all, and even people who want that environment aren't s…
I didn't say it's a scam, I said people think it's a scam or they think it changed their life, it's controversial.
But I hear from both people who get jobs don't get jobs and I hear from people who adamantly argued with me on here in support of them change their tune a few years and later. I respectfully talk to everybody who wants to talk to me about anything really.
I'm not trying to take away from your experience, but you should ask yourself - in all of the positively and clapping and emojis and great vibes with your cohort-mates and staff.... the amount of anonymous vitriol I get on here from those same people is something to think about.
It looks like a cult documentary where everyone on the inside is devoted and talk about life changing experiences, and people on the outside get attacked.
If you love Codesmith so much you will be super mean and personally insult or mock someone online, think about it a bit.
My arguments over the years have been professional and legitimate criticism of Codesmith's:
1. claim of creating mid level engineers with zero work experience
2. OSP projects that are not good quality engineering work but portrayed that way
3. the trend of the vast majority of grads exaggerating on their resumes
These aren't personal a…
Codesmith is so polarizing it's incredible.
They say the truth often lies in between but with Codesmith it doesn't.
You drink the Koolaid, ignore the outside world, and just go all in. Or you think critical and ask tough questions and think it's a scam.
For years I have been searching for the in between and I've bumped into like 2 people who are genuinely in between. A lot of people who used to drink the Koolaid who stopped.
Only about 100 to 200.or so graduates of Codesmith out of 4000 went to canonical FAANG during the good times. And a number of people are in contract roles and don't stay there. A number of people also get there after a couple years at other companies too, not.inckided in these numbers.
It's a great accomplishment but it's extremely rare and wasn't typical in 2019 either.
Especially the people who lied on their resumes to get the jobs nowadays don't want anyone to know because they risk losing it if found out as it's almost impossible to get a SWE full time role with zero experience.
I'm not 100% sure - for this program, Netflix has to sign off on things, and then we have to do the paperwork. So all the steps have to happen before we can officially send out acceptance paperwork across different entities, so I can't 100% guarantee any timeframes.
I would just hang tight and not make assumptions yet!
The program is motivated by trying to support people from diverse backgrounds, which is why not only the score matter, but the soft-skills, motivation, and demonstrating Netflix values.
It's subjective and I totally understand as a student and not having worked at Netflix that it's hard to self-evaluating those aspects either, but those are equally important - we've been doing this program for a few years now and we want to make sure we select/recommend people who **we see signal** of a path to getting hired there
Went through and couldn't find any links in the sub (I might have missed it) that had those UTM params, including links shared by Codesmith staff.
I found variations of your own links directly to specific problems that YOU SHARED that still have the same UTM params.
It's not adding up still and this looks like evidence of astroturfing.
I've only seen recent data from Launch School and Codesmith, two other top bootcamps.
Launch School is holding it together with around 70% placement rate for 2023 (down from 90s).
Codesmith only released CA data and those fell off a cliff to 42% in 2023.
The best bootcamps were ready for a 8.0 earthquake and survived 2023+2024 but some have sever structural damage. Makes them question whether to demolish what's left and possibly rebuild form scratch or keep using the damaged bridges and road, hoping they don't collapse.
Rithm closed shop. App Academy indefinitely paused SWE.
Rigorously question any bootcamp trying to get you to drive across a damaged bridge because you don't want to be on the bridge when it collapses.
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I've only seen recent days from Launch School and Codesmith, two other top bootcamps.
Launch School is holding it together with around 70% placement rate for 2023 (down from 90s).
Codesmith only released CA data and those fell off a cliff to 42% in 2023.
The best bootcamps we're ready for a 8.0 earthquake and survived 2023+2024 but some have sever structural damage. Makes them question whether to demolish what's left and possibly rebuild form scratch or keep using the damaged bridges and road, hoping they don't collapse.
Rithm closed shop. App Academy indefinitely paused SWE.
Rigorously question any bootcamp trying to get you to drive across a damaged bridge because you don't want to be on the bridge when it collapses.
I edited to add Launch School. Believe it or not, I respect that Codesmith at least tries to publish consistent data on a consistent cadence and I didn't want to put it side by side with Launch School which makes Codesmith's placement rates look way worse.
The problem this is Launch School has every single graduate accounted for and a ghosting grad isn't included. Codesmith includes LinkedIn verified ghosters in their data.
What would you recommend I do, just only publish Launch School's in this case?
Yeah, I would say anyone at FAANG, heavily involved in hiring entry level talent, during the early 2010s would have a similar view for those eras.
The 2020s I think I have a bit more of a unique perspective by working with bootcamps from tons of bootcamps (specifically: Hack Reactor, FullStack Academy, Codesmith, Launch School, General Assembly, Flatiron School, Lambda School) I have a lens into a bunch of different programs and the strengths and weaknesses of people from bootcamps compared to degrees. As well as a unique view to compare bootcamp grads later in their careers VS cs grads.
1. This person was not in Formation, they did a different program , a Netflix program. They have a certificate from Netflix, signed by Netflix, showing this on their profile.
2. We don't hire Fellows as Teaching Assistants, we don't have Teaching Assistants at Formation and we don't have classes or lectures or courses or anything. Fellows is the name of engineers we work with to level up. It's a vague and ambiguous word so I understand the misunderstanding, but you also should be trying understand our language that we use consistently because this is a word that doesn't mean job universally and in our industry it's the standard word for our customer that places like Pathrise use as well. Like if you visit another country and insist on speaking English and being upset people don't understand you... it's your job to understand.
3. The industry standard is for students to put "pathways" p…
We have people who have been with us for a long time and our bar used to be any SWE work experience in 2019 to 2022, then was 1+ year 2023 -> and then 2+ years in 2024.
I was replying to a comment about the current state of Formation that someone was criticizing.
There can be edge case people people from a long time ago that place that have less experience and we also have a handful of people we accept now with less than 2+ years of experience.
You're right I shouldn't say "only take". We only market to and and only consider people with 2+ years since 2024 and reject others, and we have exceptions and edge case for one off reasons who come back and make a case or explain their circumstances on a call.
We also have partnerships with Netflix and Waymo where we prepare interns for their corresponding interviews. And those people are not paying $2500 a month, are not paying anything, and…
How do we benefit from the bootcamp industry being ruined exactly?
I've told you time and time again that people on LinkedIn are a small edge case group of people about formation and you have zero idea and it's completely confidential who actually goes there so it is impossible for you to know the demographic better than I do.
so unless you think I'm blatantly lying to you in public then I'm not too sure what the argument is that you're making.
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That sounds awesome. I've been consistently saying for years that bootcamps are sufficient alone but apprenticeships (or any kind of supported on ramp) is the absolutely ideal job for bootcamp grads.
It takes some investment but its a way to get some really good people without paying $500K for a Stanford grad.
The problem I'm seeing right now is there are fewer bootcamps left and places like Codesmith where grads lie about their experience to sneak into more experienced roles, covering up the fact they went to a bootcamp. It completely breaks the system.
Imagine you hire five boot campers and they go through your rotation program and you unintentionally/unknowingly hire a codesmith grad as a mid-level engineer who is equally experienced as the boot campers, but is now in this weird spot where they're faking it all the time that they have experience. really the ideal would be that they…
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And this is he problem. Bootcamp's have been pushing people to put lipstick on a pig instead of actually preparing people better.
There's a bootcamp called Codesmith that previously had pretty good outcomes and most of their grads learn how to fake their experience. They are told their 3-4 week projects are equivalent of 4 months of experience for background checks (that their employee says they sign off on).
I reviewed these projects on GitHub and they were so full of noob problems that I flagged this and called them out on it.
Their response: double down and make no changes.
Good intentions but even the best bootcamps are failing people right now.
And Codesmith costs $22,500 for 14 weeks.
yeah, we've had conversations in the past about people going to boot camps to learn rather than to get a job. unfortunately with the market right now, the people who are going to boot camps are people who have done a lot of research and are going to get a job.
like the people who are complaining to me so much about Codesmith right now is a mix of that. their teachers are recent graduates that don't know as much as they do because they were like super prepared and went there just to get a job. and then people who got a job or didn't get a job but are complaining that of way more people than expected in their cohorts did not get jobs yet and that they're very upset with the support they're getting, like cutting off mock interviews this month for alumni according to one person, something they promised for life.
like I hear so much about just one program because it's spiraled over the yea…
Every person got SWE jobs in a bunch of cohorts was the thing that stood out yeah. It's quite inconsistent with three of my sources.
I have a ton of typos because I use voice to text and on my phone so I edit a lot of messages to reword but I agree with you to watch out on editing.
So the scope of what people say matters and how they say it.
If you say something is an option or observation then it's different from saying something is fact.
If you say something is a fact I will diligently review far more than if you say it's an opinion.
Many opinions that align can be useful even if it's not a fact based conclusion.
And sometimes one very specific fact.... like evidence Codesmith paid someone to go after me on Reddit can mean a heck of a lot even if its limited to a specific situation.
Thanks for sharing, that would help explain why they had 65% of placements 'non response but verified via LinkedIn' for 2023 grads in CA.
Questions:
1. Are these people getting SWE roles or taking adjacent jobs?
2. If people are not responsive to Codesmith, how do you know the cohorts have 60% placement rates? Are you using LinkedIn yourself or are you using the unofficial channels.
(I ask because the alumni that have messaged me in the past few weeks have universally called their alumni channels "ghost towns" (they are 2024 though!)
3. Why do you think so many people are no longer responding to the emails compared to in 2022?
The three eras to me are defined not necessarily by dates but by bootcamp trends.
The dates in my original post don't align super well and I have to spend more time thinking of the dates if they matter at all.
1. Era 1: super intense in person bootcamps for super smart people that had to prove themselves to get it, worked crazy hard, and got very good outcomes.
This was very non-diverse, a lot of young single professionals with a lot of savings and no families or who could pack up their lives to move to SF.
This is where bootcamps came from when they started out.
The canonical one here would be the earliest days of Hack Reactor.
Big tech was hiring these people if they passed interviews. There weren't a lot of grads for a broad trend but some made it through!
2. Era 2: DEI. Big companies realized that non-traditional sources of talent could help increase diversity because CS grad…
ELABORATED ANSWERS:
1. No one is falling for it:
a - Applications and enrollments to bootcamps have absolutely tanked. I can't give too much away in my sourcing here but I have hot off the press anecdotes and it seems to be falling off a cliff from already painful numbers.
b - I don't know any company that his historically hired bootcamp grads that is knowingly hiring them (i.e. they aren't faking it and getting fake letters of reference) other than apprenticeships and the anti-DEI shift has diminished or ended a lot of those.
2. Market cooled:
a - it cooled for entry level SWE roles from 2020-2022 and particularly bootcamp grads
b - agencies don't hire for level and they hire for specific skills so I expect agency hiring hasn't changed much and wouldn't push back on that.
3. No one is hiring bootcamp grads:
Ok sure "no one" is too harsh. It's extremely rare to see job postings w…
Bootcamps had 3 eras:
2015 to 2020: a lot of success stories, bootcamps had high bars and only let in people who had a high chance of success. They worked on at a small scale
2020 to 2023: COVID - bootcamps and remote work exploded and the successful bootcamps scaled over night and completely failed. Lambda School was the canary here - it showed us bootcamps can't scale by just multiplying their staff but schools did anyways. Instead of reflecting and strengthening during these boom times they just scaled and failed.
2023-Present: market cooled bootcamps reputations destroyed, no one is hiring bootcamp grads, no one is falling for it.
I follow Codesmith closely and look at the California official placement rates for six months post graduation: 2021 - 90%, 2022 - 70%, 2023 - 42%.... and they raised prices this year anyways despite knowing these numbers before doing so.
It depends on the person but in the current market if you have 2+ years of real SWE experience we can generally help you. We do a lot of job hunt and resume work but I completely agree that we can't beat the market - we used to take more people right out of bootcamps with minimal experience (like working at the bootcamp itself, or contracts, some people faked their work experience and go through) and we increased that threshold in the bad market.
But if you have 2+ years of experience in any legit SWE job you can get into big tech, I see it multiple times a month. It takes longer if your background is less strong, like in the past few weeks we had placements at Meta, Google, and Stripe of people who had been with us for like 2 WHOLE YEARS and wouldn't meet the criteria on this post. If you work with mentors from FAANG-adjacent companies for weeks and weeks you eventually absorb some of…
Reddit doesn't add UTM params to anything so wherever you got it from was someone including tracking for marketing purposes.
Codesmith claims that they have no control over the Codesmith subreddit (which is the one referenced in the UTM params) so something doesn't add up:
The params are explicitly referencing the Codesmith subreddit and not only that but you shared the exact same UTM params in a dozen or more places across Reddit.
If you were sharing it genuinely you would probably have clean links or different links each time. You might just got o CSX and copy paste the clean URL for example, or you might link to specific exercises have different params.
So if you accidentally did this, then you kept copy pasting your same comment dozens of times and changing it a bit, which violates Reddits ToS against mass commenting.
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I have a list of LinkedIns for Future Code people and a bunch are doing the same old experience exaggeration that students do.
I thought you couldn't have any experience or a CS degree going into Future Code and now I'm seeing these people retroactively having adjacent experience and computer science degrees in progress or computer science minors.
Future Code students - if you are reading this - don't lie on your resumes and don't believe Codesmith if they tell you aren't lying but just representing your "real capacities" and making your "perceived capacities" align with the real ones.
It might help you get a job but the industry looks down on this and if you get a job this why and OSLabs signs off on your background check, you'll have to live with the fact that you cheated your way into the industry and the consequences will catch up with you someday.
I've worked with a couple of Fu…
My suspicion was that it was a fake account. Codesmith has (or their 3rd party marketer) has had a bunch of fake posting activity here.
You all have to watch out for fake content on Reddit, some of it is very well hidden.
That person who appears like a student doing CSX and posting about it keeps sharing links to Codesmith with UTM tracking params in the URLs (which Reddit doesn't add and were added manually) indicating all of those posts are basically ads.
I'm not on the selection team but just from what I do know I don't think emailing will necessarily help, just because it's a fixed time window and until you've heard back then you're still in the running and we're only committing to make the decisions by the end of the window I believe is April 6th (check the website).