u/BayleeBaylee4578 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
How am I objectively wrong about them? They were a teaching assistant before Formation for just 6 months. Then, and this is where it gets tricky on their LI, they joined Formation in May 23. They stayed at Formation for 5 months. During this five months they did a 3 month inter
u/michaelnovati replied Β· β
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1. This person was not in Formation, they did a different program , a Netflix program. They have a certificate from Netflix, signed by Netflix, showing this on their profile.
2. We don't hire Fellows as Teaching Assistants, we don't have Teaching Assistants at Formation and we don't have classes or lectures or courses or anything. Fellows is the name of engineers we work with to level up. It's a vague and ambiguous word so I understand the misunderstanding, but you also should be trying understand our language that we use consistently because this is a word that doesn't mean job universally and in our industry it's the standard word for our customer that places like Pathrise use as well. Like if you visit another country and insist on speaking English and being upset people don't understand you... it's your job to understand.
3. The industry standard is for students to put "pathways" programs under experience, like Meta U, Google Scholars, etc... We don't give any advice on where to put it or how and I don't know if Netflix does, but I don't think listing it under experience makes it appear as work experience.
4. The Netflix Pathways program has Netflix support until a certain time (August/September) and then we continue offering extended support until December of the year - as people go back to school, it's up to them how much more they want to do to wrap up. So people could have end dates anywhere from August to December.
So the thing you are objectively wrong about is that this person did "Formation" they did a Netflix program implemented by Formation and you are going around making wild accusations about me lying about Formation Fellows. I'm not saying you are lying with bad intention at all, I'm just saying that you were incorrectly attributing this.
There are many pros and cons to Formation and many aspects we do well, many we want to improve, but the representation of people LinkedIn is not one of those problems.
We had 5 placements in the past few weeks at Google, Amazon, Meta, Stripe, and these were people with us for about 2 years or so each, which is insanely long and kind of crazy. But they got amazing jobs they are happy with, they were working during this time or did contract jobs, and like they all seem to value their time.
We have people with us for 1-2 years that are stuck and frustrated and have a completely different type of support needed, and different experience.
We don't have secrets to hide, we're not lying about anything, we don't have a Reddit Marketing campaign to manipulate people.
Like you've consistently been applying in your messages, bootcamp-like/Codesmith-like/CIRR-like concepts to us to make us fit YOUR mold of us, and I'm not going to defend Formation saying that we explain everything amazingly clearly either - we try but I don't think we explain things well and it takes a lot of back and forth to explain what Formation is to prospective Fellows.
By asking questions to understand hopefully we can also improve how we explain things. All I want is for you to understand better what we actually do and figure out how to explain it, so that we can in turn explain better to others.