My admission experience w/Codesmith

Only about 100 to 200.or so graduates of Codesmith out of 4000 went to canonical FAANG during the good times. And a number of people are in contract roles and don't stay there. A number of people also get there after a couple years at other companies too, not.inckided in these numbers. It's a great accomplishment but it's extremely rare and wasn't typical in 2019 either. Especially the people who lied on their resumes to get the jobs nowadays don't want anyone to know because they risk losing it if found out as it's almost impossible to get a SWE full time role with zero experience.

Codesmith is so polarizing it's incredible. They say the truth often lies in between but with Codesmith it doesn't. You drink the Koolaid, ignore the outside world, and just go all in. Or you think critical and ask tough questions and think it's a scam. For years I have been searching for the in between and I've bumped into like 2 people who are genuinely in between. A lot of people who used to drink the Koolaid who stopped.

I'm not trying to take away from your experience, but you should ask yourself - in all of the positively and clapping and emojis and great vibes with your cohort-mates and staff.... the amount of anonymous vitriol I get on here from those same people is something to think about. It looks like a cult documentary where everyone on the inside is devoted and talk about life changing experiences, and people on the outside get attacked. If you love Codesmith so much you will be super mean and personally insult or mock someone online, think about it a bit. My arguments over the years have been professional and legitimate criticism of Codesmith's: 1. claim of creating mid level engineers with zero work experience 2. OSP projects that are not good quality engineering work but portrayed that way 3. the trend of the vast majority of grads exaggerating on their resumes These aren't personal attacks on individuals and mocking them, calling them losers with no life, calling me a fat bald dude, and all kinds of other shit I get regularly from some people claiming to be Codesmith grads. I don't think this approach is working well for Codesmith's overall brand and appearance. The only response about 1, 2, 3 I've gotten from Codesmith is defensive that they disagree and do think they grads are mid level, that the OSPs are amazing engineering work, and that grads don't lie on their resumes. I think the reality is strongly in my favor on those 3 points and the harder they push the harder I push back. Resorting to sarcastic comments and name calling is usually the last resort when you have nothing legitimate to say.

I didn't say it's a scam, I said people think it's a scam or they think it changed their life, it's controversial. But I hear from both people who get jobs don't get jobs and I hear from people who adamantly argued with me on here in support of them change their tune a few years and later. I respectfully talk to everybody who wants to talk to me about anything really.

When things were good this sub was full of "I got a $150K job, AMA" and people patting everyone on the back. I think it's fine that this sub reflects reality and that's healthy. I know how hard it is for people to break into the industry and if someone does - having a positive and supportive environment helps. But quite frankly - almost everyone who is considering that change right now probably shouldn't. Positive vibes and pats on the back won't get you jobs like they used to. The bootcamp OP mentioned, Codesmith, is struggling with this right now, because it's a positive and supportive place. The CEO said in a video recently that students are basically paying to have unconditional "you can do it support". This worked so well for new people, who had low confidence in their coding, and a lot of potential. It's not working now at all, and even people who want that environment aren't signing up because it just doesn't make any rational sense. I guess people like OP are still signing up, and then in 6 months when they realize that placement rates are terrible and no one is getting a job, they message me being like 'omg you were right, I thought you were just a sketchy business person but I should have listened'. So people should listen! I don't know what else to say!

Codesmith people don't put Codesmith on their resume. They list their 3 week project as a year of work experience. I like the idea though and if you actually did do this basically a fake resume that looks like you have 1 to 2 years of work experience. I bet you you will actually get a couple of callbacks and the strategy grads are relying on to get interviews.

https://www.reddit.com/r/codingbootcamp/comments/18cpq98/analysis_of_52_most_recent_codesmith_offers/ Been following since then and the same problem - arguably worse now as more people are placing after 12 months of job searching. There are certainly people who believe the ends justify the means and don't have a problem with this but my problem is just be honest about how it works and don't present a facade of bullshit about creating mid level engineers out of nothing and being insanely defensive about it. Just look at their blog that they released yesterday. Fantastic human being who had a life-changing transition that is undeniably a great outcome for the person. but the story is presented in a completely misleading way. trying to make it seem like this person is crushing it in the industry based on how well codesmith prepared them. Reading between the lines, it looks like the person got a job at a slightly higher level than they should have and within a year transition to a non-software engineering role and then again transitioned to a different company in a non-software engineering role. so again, it's an undeniably fantastic outcome that this person transitioned into Tech and is doing really cool work at fantastic companies. but if this person really wanted to be a software engineer they probably would have been better off taking entry level role with lots of support and mentorship and then working their way up as a software engineer. if this person wanted to be a technical program manager, then maybe codesmith is a great path for that, but that's not a mid-level senior software engineering role that they're claiming that they prepared the person for. this stuff might seem subtle but I'm really just trying to make sure that programs market themselves appropriately in an industry that is known to be extremely sketchy and misleading historically. like if people want to transition into technical roles or roles at tech companies that are not software engineering then say that. but it's like absurdly offensive to try to Brand someone's transition to a technical program manager role as like a software engineering success story