Anyone know what's going on with CIRR? H2 2022 Results delayed, two more board members no longer working for their bootcamps - which leaves potentially just Codesmith and Launch Academy left managing CIRR

Anyone know what's going on with CIRR? H2 2022 Results delayed, two more board members no longer working for their bootcamps - which leaves potentially just Codesmith and Launch Academy left managing CIRR Hi all, sorry for posting so much recently, but I hope it's useful! So we are all waiting for CIRR H2 2022 results to be posted. Last year the first wave came out mid September with Codesmith's results coming out at the very end of September, but now it's October already and I made some concerning observations. I have made some observations below in trying to collect the facts. I have been really on top of CIRR because the signs of this decline have been apparent for a while. It was setup as a business league from a bootcamp loan provider, and the standard was prepared by outcomes members for marketing purposes (according to one of the founding members of CIRR in a Reddit comment) . In my opinion, while I respect it, I have pushed back on claims of it being the "gold standard" that many others claim it to be and I know how important it is to a number of people considering Codesmith specifically, a stand out superstar in the CIRR world for having by far the best CIRR reports overall (factoring both placement rates and salaries). In the past year or there has been some CIRR minor turbulence: 1. In or prior to May 2022, half their board stepped down and Codesmith a was added. Leaving just 4 board members, down from 8. You can see the current list here: [https://cirr.org/about](https://cirr.org/about) 2. In November 2022, one of the board members departed Tech Elevator and no longer works there and presumably isn't a board member. 3. In May 2023, another board member departed Turing School and no longer works there and presumably isn't a board member anymore. 4. They didn't renew their domain name and the website was down for about 10 days. This leaves us in the following state: 1. Two board members that we know of left, one from Launch Academy and one from Codesmith 2. In August 2023, Tech Elevator merged operations with Hack Reactor (a former CIRR member) so presumably Tech Elevator may no longer report CIRR results as well. 3. Turing's CEO claimed that he 'didn't expect to have the resources to file CIRR reports anymore', perhaps because of the loss in 3. above. Consequences: 1. If CIRR is just run by Codesmith and Launch Academy (which has only 23 graduates in it's most recent reports vs Codesmith's 338), I really think Codesmith needs to leave an make it's own standard. Hack Reactor, Rithm, and others have made their own standards a long time ago and they are all more legally sound than CIRRs standard (in my non lawyer, personal opinion of reading all of them). 2. The industry is struggling right now. With some bootcamps shutting down, placement rates dropping, placement salaries dropping, and fewer people looking to drop everything and change careers in 12 to 16 weeks I expect more adjustments will be made. On a positive note: 1. The need for programmers isn't going anywhere, I'm excited and optimistic about what the industry will bring as tech bounces back in a new market. It's not going to be easy, but there is a lot of code yet to write. ​

"Codesmith was added". I wasn't expecting to write this and wrote it very fast haha... I'm not a bot or an AI

CIRRs standard doesn't have clear processes for everything. For example there's no clear process for collecting salaries, while there is a clear process for collecting job start dates. The document itself isn't written by lawyers, like GRAD (Hack Reactor's version) is, which has clear language and a clear structure. In addition, the worksheets they provide have formulas in them and some are not explained in words in the docs. Like if I remember correctly, there are some about excluding students or deferring graduation dates where the sheets were.doi f something that wasn't explained in the spec. Finally, Codesmith extends the graduation date for people that get hired back as fellows/TAs. While they don't count them as placements (which is good) they do extend their clocks for the life of the contract, which gives these people an extra 3 or more months to find jobs and be included in the next report. This is justified as 'the fellow role is an extension of Codesmith and continuation of the learning so they consider a student graduated when they finish the fellow job'... except it's an actual 40 hour a week $50K contract job.

omg thanks so much for sharing your info, much appreciated!

That's why registered trademarks exist :D... and it's why Lambda School changed it's name - trademark lawsuit.

Hey, yeah CIRR is business league responsible to supporting the businesses of it's bootcamp members - it's not impartial. 1. CIRR has only 3 reporting companies left, one of which had like 15 grads in 2022, one is in Indonesia and didn't report FY 2022 properly, so **Codesmith IS CIRR at this point**. 2. CIRR changing the standards last year to report 360 day outcomes instead of 180 day outcomes was a massive coverup to conceal terrible H2 2022 outcomes. Since Codesmith filed H1 2022 and FY 2022 outcomes, you can calculate the H2 2022 outcomes from that data and they did indeed tank really bad. 3. Not only is a Codesmith Advisor on the board, but she brought in other board members who are friendly with her 4. A former Codesmith grad was temporarily working for CIRR to rebuild their new website after they got locked out and lost all their old website stuff. \--------------------- I wish this wasn't all the case because CIRR could be a really good force, but students need to understand the reality so they aren't duped by CIRR, Course Report, and others that appear impartial, but are **FUNDED BY THE BOOTCAMPS THEMSELVES** and require bootcamps to survive for them to survive.