u/alinafvasile wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
To avoid any confusion from the readers of your message, it is important to give data based facts for context about Codesmith’s CIRR outcomes. Here are some key facts from the official 2022-2023 CIRR reports which can also be found on the CIRR website:[ https://www.cirr.org/data]
u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Can you clarify if you are saying H2 2022 outcomes did not tank from H1 2022 outcomes?
Because Codesmith published an official H1 2022 CIRR report and a FY 2022 CIRR reports it's simple math to deduce the H2 2022 outcomes and they decreased no? Are you saying I'm wrong and need to correct that and made a mistake?
Showing a large increase in people ghosting post placement for H2 who were confirmed via LinkedIn as appearing to get a job and their salaries weren't included?
Anyways, in a market where App Academy has paused, Turing plans on shutting down in 2025, Launch Academy paused, BloomTech paused, Launch School has lower enrollment but surviving and discussing its challenges openly, Code Up shut down, Epicodus shut down, Hack Reactor has massive layoffs and is unrecognizable.
Codesmith is the only one that keeps delusionally telling people everything is okay and people aren't falling for it anymore either.
Things are not ok at Codesmith, hardly any cohorts left. People complained because the CEO had great lectures publicly and thought he would do them during the immersive and then never saw him until one lecture in senior. People complained that after Phil and Kyle left there is no instruction hierarchy and the instructors (half of whom just graduated Codesmith and the three leads graduated a couple years ago) don't have escalation when they don't know how to answer questions... and one person feeling gaslit through toxic positivity responses when no one can answer their questions.
I was a fan of Codesmith a year ago and sent a number of people there, but really flipped my view when someone there started paying this guy on Upwork to go after me on Reddit and that Upwork guy tried to get me banned by making stuff up (and that person was banned as a result). Then Codesmith started doing these fake AMAs full of suspicious questions from suspicious new accounts (many get banned a few weeks following the AMA). Every AMA has the same pattern, taking advantage of good intentioned people who want to do them, and filling them with generic questions from new accounts who seem to only use Reddit to ask questions on Codesmith AMAs and always come out of nowhere in a minute's notice to ask them.
My unsolicited advice: be open and transparent about Codesmith's struggles. The Codesmith alumni community from 2+ years is very strong and they will give back. Making a month long AI course and charging alumni $800 is on way to try to get money from them, but instead just ask them for help. Maybe they will mentor Codesmith students pro bono to save costs. Maybe they will refer graduates to their companies because of a desperate plea that you need their help.
Alumni are being pushed away right now because they are seeing less qualified grads coming out that they are embarrassed to refer to when Codesmith is telling them how great things are and that these people are mid level and senior engineers. If you were honest with those alumni and said hey these grads are struggling and are entry level and we really need your help to get entry level jobs, I bet the alumni would be way more helpful instead of pulling their names from alumni support lists.