Recent bootcamp graduates? What was it like? Did you get a job?

Codesmith's 2023 CIRR report showed tanking H2 2022 results (but they were averaged into a full year) so I expect their 2024 report to be equally tanking, unless CIRR changes the rules again. Their 180 placement rate absolutely tanked and people post 360 days are excluded from the reports. Codesmith randomly shared outcomes from a carefully chosen window of April 2024 to August 2024 in violation of CIRR and haven't updated that, and even those were really bad, so I can't imagine the outcomes are good right now. Now they are adding in alumni's future jobs in their Slack reporting making some of those jobs look like first jobs to boost morale as the number of people getting first jobs within 6 months is very poor.

Can you clarify if you are saying H2 2022 outcomes did not tank from H1 2022 outcomes? Because Codesmith published an official H1 2022 CIRR report and a FY 2022 CIRR reports it's simple math to deduce the H2 2022 outcomes and they decreased no? Are you saying I'm wrong and need to correct that and made a mistake? Showing a large increase in people ghosting post placement for H2 who were confirmed via LinkedIn as appearing to get a job and their salaries weren't included? Anyways, in a market where App Academy has paused, Turing plans on shutting down in 2025, Launch Academy paused, BloomTech paused, Launch School has lower enrollment but surviving and discussing its challenges openly, Code Up shut down, Epicodus shut down, Hack Reactor has massive layoffs and is unrecognizable. Codesmith is the only one that keeps delusionally telling people everything is okay and people aren't falling for it anymore either. Things are not ok at Codesmith, hardly any cohorts left. People complained because the CEO had great lectures publicly and thought he would do them during the immersive and then never saw him until one lecture in senior. People complained that after Phil and Kyle left there is no instruction hierarchy and the instructors (half of whom just graduated Codesmith and the three leads graduated a couple years ago) don't have escalation when they don't know how to answer questions... and one person feeling gaslit through toxic positivity responses when no one can answer their questions. I was a fan of Codesmith a year ago and sent a number of people there, but really flipped my view when someone there started paying this guy on Upwork to go after me on Reddit and that Upwork guy tried to get me banned by making stuff up (and that person was banned as a result). Then Codesmith started doing these fake AMAs full of suspicious questions from suspicious new accounts (many get banned a few weeks following the AMA). Every AMA has the same pattern, taking advantage of good intentioned people who want to do them, and filling them with generic questions from new accounts who seem to only use Reddit to ask questions on Codesmith AMAs and always come out of nowhere in a minute's notice to ask them. My unsolicited advice: be open and transparent about Codesmith's struggles. The Codesmith alumni community from 2+ years is very strong and they will give back. Making a month long AI course and charging alumni $800 is on way to try to get money from them, but instead just ask them for help. Maybe they will mentor Codesmith students pro bono to save costs. Maybe they will refer graduates to their companies because of a desperate plea that you need their help. Alumni are being pushed away right now because they are seeing less qualified grads coming out that they are embarrassed to refer to when Codesmith is telling them how great things are and that these people are mid level and senior engineers. If you were honest with those alumni and said hey these grads are struggling and are entry level and we really need your help to get entry level jobs, I bet the alumni would be way more helpful instead of pulling their names from alumni support lists.

Yeah sure, I can chat async on Reddit or LinkedIn

I see 78.6% placed in 180 days in H1 2022 (301 grads) and 70.1% in FY 2022 (732 graduates). So that means that about a 62% placement rate in H2 2022. 79% -> 62% is a tanking placement rate. And that was a relatively better 2022 grads. Anecdotally and based on numbers I can find - which are not official and not necessarily accurate, show 2023 grads 180 day placements with something below 50%. And since this number should have been known internally since June 2024 (with at least an estimate) they are free to clear this up for the record. Even if they don't have all the data in yet because they are delayed, if they even have 50% in 180 days already they can let us know that. I really won't listen to any marketing spins on this that make it sound good and anyone trying to do that needs an integrity check. Codesmith can go to town saying how they are doing better than OTHER BOOTCAMPS but any argument that the outcomes are objectively good as misleading. Being the best of bad options doesn't make it a good option.

I replied with direct numbers to backup my claims from CIRR reports and I don't appreciate you trying to gaslight me in public and ignoring that data. While a lot of what I state is a personal opinion, I clearly labelled my CIRR analysis as fact and if I made a mistake in my analysis, it was unintentional and I'm open to correcting, but I feel like those facts are clear that H2 2022 outcomes tanked from H1 2022. And I have strong evidence tying someone named "Will S." to paying for someone on Upwork to comment on Reddit who said negative things about me/my company on Reddit under the same account name. I would call those facts too, other than proving "Will S." is Will Sentance the Codesmith CEO and not another Will S, and I do not have evidence of who "Will S." is on Upwork.