I have careful documentation of all of this too and it's desperate. Codesmith is not doing well, not filling their cohorts even though they have reduced them significantly.
They lowered the price of JSB and CSPrep to get more people into them even though JSB Flex videos are entirely free anyways in their website (unless this is an engineering mistake, there are so many odd engineering choices and user information being shared out from their website all over... I'm operating the assumption that this is all intentional because it's so widespread and pervasive it would be incompetent otherwise)
Before attacking me, look into the mirror Codesmith. If Hack Reactor was setup this way would you think they are the best of the best and maybe look within and fix things before coming after me.
Alumni: if you hate me at least try to understand what I'm saying and think about it s bit.
I 100% agree people should respectfully question me and push me. I'm one of the most responsive people on Reddit and I'm here to talk reasonably.
My company works with people later on in their careers and the more people that go to bootcamps, the more people that come to us. So I feel like I have major bias to promote bootcamps and not take them down.
Now others seem to feel I'm here to take down bootcamps so my company is the only option left.
I strongly disagree with that but people can share their opinions, all I ask is that people can see all sides fairly and judge for themselves and that people present evidence for their beliefs for why they feel that way.
Prove that my involvement in the sub has boosted my business. Prove that people are leaving Codesmith or other bootcamps in droves to come to my business. They aren't so there is no proof! Just people trolling.
Yeah, I mean they are increasing AI based stuff and mods don't have that much control. They collapsed someone's comment about me because she was flagged as a highly suspicious account likely trying to break the rules. I don't know how they determined that whatsoever and cannot do anything about her comment.
10% fight publicly for it, work there, keep in the community, keep doing talks and calls, etc... and "stay in the family"
Many more are positive or neutral-positive about Codesmith, thought it was worth it because of their outcome but not the content or the advice and they move on after settling into their careers.
I'm also bias there because the people that move on come to be too lol. The largest groups of people coming to me on a weekly basis are current students or recent alumni venting about something, and then older alumni who trust me because they feel like my analysis is spot on and want my advice about the industry.
I think it's about 10% of alumni and it's because they credit Codesmith with changing their lives. And I don't argue it didn't. Something can change your live and not be perfect.
The people that just can't acknowledge that are going to have a lot of problems later on in their careers, lots of struggles with progression. Codesmith is far too early to see that yet.
With $130K salaries come layoffs at the drop of a hat, and other negative things that will need to be confronted.
I've worked with a lot of alumni that love Codesmith. Both officially and unofficially and some more directly than others. I have no idea if they like me as person but I think they understand better where I'm coming from once actually getting to know me.
It's really sad that the staff are so locked in. I was talking to Eric Kirsten over email a bit but that died off when Will yelled at me for 3 minutes straight in a public talk and banished me from the community forever.
I didn't auto hide anything and I didn't touch any settings for this post or any comments or any users.
Reddit identifies and hides accounts it thinks are sketchy and maybe that's why the comment was collapsed. Our subreddit at the top level has typical Reddit filters on and they have been improving their algorithms over the past few months.
Hi, unlike in your sub, I'm not going to ban you and delete this for "lies" because I want to try to get more on the same page. Feel free to DM me if you want to talk more because this comment is making me really sad the way you are characterizing what I'm saying and we're on very different pages.
1. I'm sorry Andrea feels that way. I honestly have no idea who she is, other than that she's a moderator of the sub and I apologize if she felt attacked by that statement.
I do stand by the statement, that it was shared as the official rules and the entire body is written as "we". I have documented the post for myt archived and think that a reasonable person would interpret this the way I did. If she didn't mean to post on behalf of Codesmith, she can edit the post to clarify that as well. I'll also edit my copy to remove references to that post to help reset that.
2. A number of people who…
This is a totally fair comment so it wouldn't deleted and you shouldn't feel that way. I think it's an excellent comment with a tone open for discussion, I wish more of them were like this!
1. Codesmith's co-founder Alex Zai, told me to clear the record that he is not currently involved in the AI curriculum and hasn't been since DSML shutdown, and specifically that Zoox is not involved in any way in the curriculum either nor has he worked on since working at Zoox.
He told me that he asked Codesmith to not represent that he is working on this currciulum.
I don't have an analogy for you but maybe it's like Juliard saying they have a brand new course created by Adam Driver, when Adam Driver created some materials years ago when he was TA'ing and those materials were used inside of this new course.
I think that's wrong.
2. My data is showing about 45% of people in H1 2023 getting jobs…
These are all good questions I'm more than happy to answer.
First, why do we have the average compensation increase and not the average.
we're working with people coming from all kinds of backgrounds and situations and we think the best way to capture their outcome is to show the change relative to where they started.
otherwise we would have to try to bucket people into a bunch of very granular buckets of similar type people and then show some average about how they did in absolute terms. We could try to do that but the buckets change constantly and the people we are working with now are very experienced. the people we worked with a year ago had maybe 1 to 2 years of experience on average and now the people have 5 to 10 years of experience on average. So because these buckets are moving and changing all the time, we don't feel that showing those. give you a pulse for how things are d…
Maybe I'm taking it too literally, but in the exact same font size and UI formatting we have the average outcome right beside the number you're talking about. So to me not acknowledging that fact and stating that
>"I said it was deceptive marketing to show one huge salary number on your companys homepage instead of average results"
Now there could be misunderstandings, or we're not on the same page, but I've said this a number of times and you've said the same thing a number of times - which is why that starts to become harassment.
Do you have more questions about these numbers we can sort out if it's a misunderstanding and not harassment?
This sub doesn't have explicitly clear rules so there is subjectivity in their interpretation. I often message the mod thread to discuss things I'm not sure about.
DMs are not required no, I'm suggesting it as a tool when there is conflict becuase it can help for both sides to see where each other is coming from.
I said that I repeatedly clarified things about my company that you did not acknowledge and kept saying the same things, which to me is analogous if someone says "stop doing X, it's bothering me" and you ignore them and keep doing it.
I sent those posts directly to the other mods and told them to examine them because I'm biased. They have yet to approve them...
I've received a ton of screenshots and texts over the years and I still don't have a good picture. I think it's a combination of the folllowing:
1. Primarily - alumni are the product Codesmith (i.e. the community IS the product, not the education) makes and the ones most bought in where the product works they protect Codesmith fervently.
2. Leaders share around some of my post and ask people or imply they should 'help out the community'. Or calling me a 'jealous hater', or that 'when you are the best people always want to take you down', stuff like that.
"I'd rather that then spend hours discussing some beef a keyboard warrior has with some random company"
I'm genuinely not here for hours, this is like priority 10 on my list
I felt personally attacked when you said that.
Maybe you can DM me and we can talk about this and you can see where I'm coming from? You're making a false connection that I have this been to promoted my company. It's just not true. I can see how you might see that if you just look up backgrounds, but without talking to me about it, it's not helping move things forward to the better community you are asking for.
Again, if you were in the Codesmith subreddit you would get banned and deleted, and all you would see are positive comments supporting me.
If you ignore me and don't discuss, you will be banned.
Do you think that world would be better, if all the negative comments (whether they support me or not) are deleted and the authors re banned?
The history is that I was made a mod because it was becoming a cease pool of spam and negativity and I was tasked with improving it.
1. If you weren't here before then please explain how it got that way before I was a mod?
2. In the spirit of transparency, what's your agenda for being here if you 20 years of industry experience?
The fact that you calling this out without even talking to me has the same pattern as the Codesmith people
I saw a video once of Will Sentance from 7-8 years ago where he had almost the exact same language. I think it's one of those things that if you tell yourself the same thing for 8 years you believe it.
Either it's incompetence at not understanding the levels and confidently calling 61 senior - even though the speaker herself says 61 is "mid-level", or it's intentional manipulation. I don't think the CEO is incompetent, so...
And yeah, the talk was awesome, the alumni is awesome, it's sad she's being used for marketing in this way, she deserves better.
I think all three of those programs mentioned are very different and can co-exist rather than fight. Rithm is very small right now and I don't think they are fighting anybody haha. Launch School is heavily run by the founder Chris and is also small and capped size, and I think they will get by.
Right now, from my estimates (no hard numbers) Codesmith is about the enrollment numbers of Launch School (maybe 1.5X larger because of part time) but from my estimates has 5X more full time staff. So I'm most concerned about Codesmith surviving without more layoffs or without a major pivot.
Codesmith is the only one going big on AI, however there isn't any signal from the industry what AI skills they want, and interview processes haven't adapted to test for AI skills either, so they might be betting on 'Web3 blockhain' like Lambda School did. It's entirely possible that the AI skills companies…
I agree that for profit business are companies and they have to make money, and they can make money in a win-win way that improves the overall economy and people's lives, but that marketing isn't something bad or evil or despicable, it's normal.
I have the same advice with reading any bootcamps outcomes. I'm very on top of TripleTen because their stats are carefully worded too (and also not lying or false, just worded well by a marketer).
We need people having reasonable and thoughtful discussions about these things openly to move the industry forward.
The bootcamp industry is barely surviving right now and using marketing to convince more people to join to keep it alive isn't going to solve the systemic market problems that are stopping bootcamp grads.
I've said this once or twice now but Codesmith might have a good angle with getting people into non-SWE technical jobs, or with leve…
I don't think I am at all whatsoever, but whether I was or not, it doesn't mean I'm wrong.
A lot of Codesmith people love me and lot hate me and I try to build bridges with those that don't like me because we can do far more working together positively than apart.
But in a world of Lambda School have a lot of problems, you all need rational and reasonable looks at bootcamps - the GOOD and the BAD and not only look at the good. People are making huge life decisions and spending a ton of money on these things.
I've said this before but I posted a report about Launch School and no one cared because it was super boring. Codesmith stuff turns into mega discussions with anonymous accounts coming out of nowhere.
⚠️ WARNING: Codesmith subreddit is mostly propaganda (resharing Codesmith content without full context and boosting with positive comments from accounts that mostly post about Codesmith only). Challenges and negative comments are called "lies" and you get banned. BE SMART AND THINK CRITICALLY.
NOTE: I'm not saying the content itself isn't true or that it's bad intentioned, but I am saying that it's marketing material that missing context and it's likely the people sharing it don't even realize this. I've accumulated a lot of information over the years and while I see a **A LOT OF GOOD THINGS CODESMITH IS DOING,** the outcomes have changed dramatically in 2023-2024 and these materials are not reflecting that.
**DISCLAIMER: these are my personal opinions using publicly available information and my own insights.**
**MODERATOR NOTE: any comments talking about my own company will be delete…
I can connect you with some of the people to find out. $2.5K a month is by far the most expensive option and most people choose a package (you can see more options in post-application stage) but the pricing is meant to be a range of pricing for a very very wide range of circumstances. If you are time sensitive you are looking at different options than if you want unlimited support. And if you want unlimited support you can balance between paying all upfront and paying half based on how much we increase your salary.
We're far from perfect but we're working hard to support engineers and we feel we have a good product and experience and we make hundreds of changes every week to adjust to the market and to improve the experience based on feedback.
The main reason though is if you are a senior engineer and super busy, you can just dial into Formation based on your schedule dynamically every…
No one should be choosing Formation over a bootcamp at all.
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We work with people to support their goals. Right now we have observed very clearly that there is no systematic way for people with no experience to get jobs and we therefore don't take new people with no experience. We still have people with us with under a year of experience for 1.5ish years because of our indefinite support promise.
We had three ex Facebook senior engineers start recently, current Google Manager, like these are not people considering Codesmith, Hack Reactor, Springboard, etc...
Or are you saying they are? That a staff engineer at Meta is choosing between Codesmith and Formation? They are choosing between Interview Kickstart and Formation.
I don't really know how to explain this more clearly, but I'll keep trying because I don't want anyone coming to us for the wrong thing, it's a waste of everyone's tim…
There's a difference between saying "my opinion is that the numbers on your website are deceptive" and "your numbers are deceptive"
unless a person currently contains evidence that the numbers are illegally deceptive then one of these statements is an opinion that is totally fine and the other is libel.
Those comments were deleted because the person is personally attacking in the comments and was previously warned. In my opinion, it's the equivalent of misgendering someone intentionally or calling someone a nickname they asked you to not call them. I flagged this to the other moderators in case they have different opinions and want to allow them.
Here are the most recent placement submission, in order unedited that I grabbed, and redacted tiny companies. Our outcomes are incredibly strong. The time it takes to get them is very long.
Meta
\[REDACTED STARTUP\]
Amazon
Meta
Atlassian
Paylocity
Disney
\[REDACTED STARTUP\]
Netflix
Gusto
Amazon
Western Union
Meta
Microsoft
Microsoft
Willow
\[REDACTED STARTUP\]
Reddit
\[REDACTED STARTUP\]
Microsoft
Strider Technologies
NVIDIA
Meta
I have conversations with a number of bootcamp staff and leaders from many places because I have a presence in the industry.
Both as a leader of this subreddit, as one of the former top engineers at Meta, as someone who works with bootcamp grads from all the programs later on in their careers.
If someone was talking about me or my company, I would have engaged them on the first message to talk about it and understand each other's point of view. If the person refused to talk to me and kept going, then I would call them out and ask why.
Build bridges not walls.
I can't speak for people, the vast majority start of with: 'I'm a codesmith grad/alumni/etc... and I really appreciate you presenting things as they are. I don't agree with some of the advice and I'm majorly struggling and I feel like Codesmith isn't helping if I don't follow the norms, can you help'
And then I try genuinely hard to advise and help the people and get into conversations.
Imagine I was an anonymous account that posted this.
If you understand Formation really well, please suggest the outcomes we should be presenting and how we should handle the situations I explained above, as I explained above, we haven't figured it out it yet and that's why I'm open to engaging with people to talk about it. Instead of Will's attitude of ban and ignore. He hasn't ONCE contacted me directly to explain ANYTHING.
Downvoting without understanding doesn't make people right.
So Codesmith genuinely has good intentions, and they do some things incredibly well. They do a lot of things not very well. That's reasonable, no company is perfect.
I believe in every number Codesmith presents is trying to be accurate, while also being marketing and that is maybe a similarity to Lambda School. Austen presenting what he felt was accurate information spun in very interesting ways - ex. 100% of cohort placed with very small sample size (not revealing sample size of 1)
Ultimately it comes down to outcomes. If you have good material to work with, and spin the marketing positively, then you have success. If you don't have good outcomes and spin the marketing, you end up potentially with problems and people being mislead.
Codesmith continues to have good outcomes relative to it's peers in the bootcamp industry, however the elephant in the room is that the INDUSTRY is doing…
Line by Line Rebuttal to Codesmith CEO dodging question about placement rates in a challenging market
**DISCLAIMER: these views are my personal opinions as I see them and they don't represent anyone but me.**
u/WillSen If you call yourself the best of the best, you need to hold yourself to that bar and respect others who are holding you to that bar too by responding with facts and arguments to every challenge rather than ban people who point out things you don't want to answer. I'm unable to reply in the Codesmith subreddit because I'm permanently banned.
Anyways, someone asked the Codesmith CEO in an AMA today [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/codesmith/comments/1dofj3a/comment/la9fv9w/)
>There has been a large share of skepticism towards the results that Codesmith claims to produce with job acquisition rates, salaries, etc. since the company does not share its raw data, e.g., claimin…
1. What documentation is required for "Limited or no prior experience with the basics of coding and no paid professional web development, software engineering, or similar experience"?
If someone is lying to you and the city but went to a bootcamp and has an extensive portfolio, will they be allowed in?
2. Did the City of New York sign off on having people publicly post personal creative pieces to an unofficial non-Codesmith controlled sub-reddit?
Your CEO made it sound like this is part of the application that is required: "I also want to shout out the amazing creative applications I’m seeing for Future Code on the sub."https://www.reddit.com/r/codesmith/comments/1dnmohm/comment/la3kxr7/
Can you elaborate on the "slightly shifty resume" means for your?
I'm also seeing this that unless you shifty-it-up to 2 YOE, you won't get any callbacks.
I'm trying to shout this loud and clear - and that Codesmith grads taking non-SWE jobs isn't because they are getting "modern engineer" roles and is because they aren't get SWE roles because they don't exist.
I think self paced part time like Launch School Core is a good idea. Part time structured like HR and Codesmith are crazy intense.
I can't imagine going to Codesmith 4 hours a day M to T and Saturdays for 9 months straight.
It kind of just stretches things out a bit but doesn't solve the fundamental problem of being ready when you are ready and the market is ready and going up and down with the life
I'm maybe biased by the mastery based approach so take it with a grain of salt but I think it's a strong argument for this approach right now.
When you have self paced arbitrary programs you can't really have outcomes reporting to compare between programs.
It depends on 1. your goals, 2. your starting point, 3. your learning style, 4. your location
Generally speaking though things aren't going great amongst the top bootcamps so this comment might need updating and might not hold true over the long term.
SOME OPTIONS OF DIFFERENT STYLES ACROSS THE THREE AREAS YOU MENTIONED:
1. Rithm: small classes, reasonable but tough number of hours per day, high on the teaching side
2. Launch School: starts with a self paced mastery program called core and then ends with Capstone, which is a normal "bootcamp" style program focused on building open source projects. They have very strong outcomes because you do Core first and they only let in people they are confident it will work for. The projects you build are the most robust I've seen and probably wins on the portfolio side.
3. Codesmith: I completely stopped recommending two weeks ago so I wouldn'…
I'm defensive of the truth and facts yeah. But I totally get the dominating conversation issue. It's a downside of commenting so much and it can be intimidating to others. I try to balance my commenting and only comment if I have something I feel will add to the existing conversation. But I'm a person and have opinions and a personality too.
Sorry my comment felt snarky.
I do have anxiety problems and other issues yeah, but I don't have an agenda, I'm here because I'm a big fish in a small pond and I feel like I can give a lot of advice that's missing.
The Codesmith subreddit literally has conversations amongst 2-3 people who are all low acitvity accounts almost exclusively commenting and posting about Codesmith... that feels completely fake and disingenuous - [https://www.reddit.com/r/codesmith/](https://www.reddit.com/r/codesmith/)
Even if you don't like me, or don't agree with me…
Moderators list on the right hand side maybe?
My partner ran a bootcamp called Buildschool, which was a free in person iOS bootcamp from 2017 to 2019.
That turned into Formation when I work now, which isn't a bootcamp but I absolutely have bias as a result. We work with engineers who are already employed as SWEs prepare for upcoming interviews and job hunts. So I've worked with a lot of bootcamp grads later on in their careers (about 1/3 or so of people we work with).
As a result I hear a lot about a lot of the top bootcamps.
But I'm also bias because the more people that go to bootcamps the more people need Formation later on.... but ironically I get yelled at for bias AGAINST bootcamps for some reason, which makes no rational sense to me.
I tell it how it is and Formation would be WAY better off if thousands of people went to bootcamps and went to Formation down the road, which is why I emphasize that these are my personal opinions. Our investors might get angry at me for deterring people away. Maybe read all of these comments instead of my little post :P: https://www.reddit.com/r/codingbootcamp/s/maKdYSF2CC
Speaking on behalf of Formation, we do not accept bootcamp grads without any work experience right now and haven't for at least a year and they are not our target audience. If you are a bootcamp grad and can't get a job for a year, good luck, we can't help you, but come to Formation in a year or two after you do get a first job and we can help with the second, third, fourth, and fifth.
Thanks for sharing. This is the path Codesmith is calling the "Modern Engineer" by the way, which I strongly disagree with.... you aren't a modern engineer and instead took non SWE roles, and that's ok!!
I think your path is great for a bootcamp grad and while you aren't a SWE yet, you found a way to apply.yoir new technical skills to a more interesting job and it took a could of hops to get there.
Congrats! And good on you for keeping the motivation going.
Can I give you notes on your resume here? Happy to give via DM but it might be helpful to others to give them publicly too. This would be in a personal capacity and not representing Formation.
Your projects sound GREAT. They key is having real users and you have more than 99.5% of bootcamp grad 's personal projects.
These will help you in interviews (if you also speak about them well).
Your problem is going to be getting interviews because of lack of experience. You can't fabricate experience, but you can at least present what you have more strongly.
That said, you have a strong background for a non traditional engineer, so you have some ingredients to worth with at least.
2024 Bootcamp Predictions [MIDYEAR CHECKIN AND UPDATES!]
The past two years I've been making bootcamp predictions and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/codingbootcamp/comments/18ivago/2024_bootcamp_predictions_mega_post_revisiting_my/) is a link to my 2024 ones from six months ago.
I want to share my background for context in the spirit of openness and transparency. I try to write the best content I can, but everyone has biases and it's important to evaluate ones biases for every post you read.
BACKGROUND: I co-founded a mentorship platform and work with many bootcamp graduates as they progress in their careers and I'm a heavy contributor (and moderator) of this sub. Before this, I was at Facebook from 2009 to 2017, where I grew from intern to E7 principal engineer, conducted over 450 interviews, and participated in hiring committees. I keep in touch with hundreds of my former colleagu…
SimilarGlass5: 100% of comments about Codesmith (past 4 years)
Mean\_Rough1137: 100% of comments about Codesmith
Infinite-Platform-78: 100% of comments about Codesmith
A bunch of the other accounts on my list are permanently banned from Reddit.
I also want to know why these people do what they do with fake accounts.
Yeah extending my views to Codesmith specifically, if they can get people placed in tech, but not SWE jobs, I think they can keep going and rebrand as a "get your first job in tech" as opposed to be "become a software engineering leader"
We're going to need a TON of customer service rep - engineer hybrids to help navigate this evolving world, such as debugging self driving cars for customers in real time, and some of Codesmith's recent placements have been in this area. Great, high paying, tech jobs that are not "software engineering" roles.
They might have a giant market of people who do like customer support, operational logistics, product management, and other jobs where have a "engineer mindset' might help people navigate a world of AI and rapidly changing tools.
And more experienced software engineers can build those actual tools.
If they have enough humility to accept reality I…
The "Modern Software Engineer": Refuting the "lawyer engineer" and instead an argument for Specialization + Collaboration
Hey everyone, friendly neighborhood moderator sharing my person opinions on this topics for all of you getting into software engineering. My background is started programming with QBasic and Lego Mindstorms when I was 12, worked at Meta from 2009 to 2017 (from \~200 engineers to \~10,000 engineers) and was the #1 code committer when I left. And since then have started a mentorship and interview prep platform for people with several years of experience who are changing jobs or want to prepare to change jobs. NOTE: I have some amount of bias because I work with a number of bootcamp grads later in their careers. While my company doesn't compete with bootcamps directly, I want to openly disclose my background so you can interpret my comments better.
PURPOSE: I'm writing…
This is correct. Codesmith claims to not to ANY display advertising. Although a former employee was configuring Google Ads for them and they log a lot of stuff to various advertisers, they aren't running standard ads.
They put that budget to running free public events and their blog. Those events and posts are marketing. They were run by a marketing director (who was laid off end of last year) and they are bread and butter marketing.
Alumni telling others about Codesmith is also marketing.
At Codesmith, the **community is the product** - **you are the product** (they have almost no actual "code" that runs anything at Codesmith, just a website and a lot of Google Docs and 3rd party services) so you spreading the good word of Codesmith means they succeeded in their product efforts.
I don't care enough to deep dive, but people with all kinds of relationships have sent me screenshots of conversations and I know that at various points in time it has been a) alumni, b) staff members, c) leaders but I really have no idea who's doing it now.
What I do know is that, like all bootcamps, Codesmith isn't doing well now. They might be even doing better than many others, but as you said, best of crap might be crap - which I don't think any of the top bootcamps are at all).
The "cult vibes" I also don't have a direct source of, but I have three notes:
1. The CEO speaks about the "community" he's built over 9 years as the product that Codesmith built, not the curriculum and not the class. So if you are an alumni, you ARE THE PRODUCT of Codesmith and if they did a good job, you were produced to be a strong community member.
2. CEO Control - this is multi-part. First, they ha…
Find someone else to harass. I don't stand down to bullies and what beats bullies is the truth.
Anyone can see my comment history and see what I talk about: Codesmith and otherwise. If you are stalking me with authorized Reddit apps that's harassment.
I get all my data from stuff the CEO explicitly shared himself, or public data, so turn your energy on him and ask him why he's shared this stuff if you are pissed off at me.
Yeah I agree. We don't have apprenticeships en masse so what should someone do? It's a free for all and I don't think there is one way to do it, but the result is bootcamp grads fighting to find edge cases and one off opportunities to get a foot in the door.
Now that the entry level market was wiped out and there are no loopholes we're seeing a bunch of bootcamps struggling and shutting down and laying off.
The response has been to rebrand tangential engineering jobs as just as good or better than SWE jobs and have people go there.
Codesmith had a grad go to Palantir as a customer support engineer and framed it as a new role for the modern engineer.... when it's an age old role that is NOT a SWE role even though it is indeed a great job.
But these are the times we're in. If there are no SWE jobs and you can't rebrand, you will fail, not enough entry level SWE jobs to make a program t…
To me this is more complicated than a one sentence tweet.
Are you a software engineer? Sure, you can be whoever you want to be and it doesn't really matter because the Dunning Kruger Effect is much more important to understand.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/markmurphy/2017/01/24/the-dunning-kruger-effect-shows-why-some-people-think-theyre-great-even-when-their-work-is-terrible/
More dense original paper https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/B9780123855220000056
It's not so much that "aha you ARE an imposter!" but a rejection of people who are at that initial peak of Dunning Kruger and have no idea whatsoever how far they have to go.
Like - I did a bootcamp, I'm as capable as a mid level and senior engineer is peak Dunning Kruger. Codesmith grads and Codesmith leaders you should read about this.
Helping you realize what you don't know yet is a step towards overcoming…
I started a mod thread about this and was encouraged to ban all of you, which I'm not doing because I think that's wrong.
But seriously get it together and stop making stuff up, just ask and believe my answers or discuss them without making false accusations. If you don't trust me and I'm a moderator and you don't like this place, leave and go spend your time more effectively elsewhere.
I got banned from the Codesmith sub, from Codesmith CSX Slack, permanently banned from all Codesmith events, for pointing out an alumni placement they were highlight is no longer employed at the company they said he was.
Not all communities are for everyone and if this one isn't for you, you can leave!