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Can someone explain to me how the job market is different now compared to 2020 for bootcamp graduates?

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u/michaelnovati replied ·
Not just bootcamps grads, but there are almost no entry level jobs. The ones that exist at big companies are going through traditional pipelines, i.e. University Recruiting (recruiters go to top schools -> recruit interns and promote brand of company -> interns who do well get full time offers when graduating) Apprenticeships are the ideal option (in my opinion) but are really slim in this market too. We had someone go to Pinterest and there was a like a dozen or two people chosen out of thousands and thousands (over ten thousand allegedly?) applications. Airbnb and Asana similarly have had fairly small cohorts this year. Your options are: 1. Try to come across as a more experienced engineer and go to a non-tech company that doesn't really know the difference, and do well on interviews to impress them. 2. Do contract work and try to get by for 2 years until you have enough experience to get mid level jobs. 3. Cross your fingers and get lucky (OR MAKE YOUR LUCK BY NETWORKING WELL) to try to find one-off non-reproducible opportunities. You might be the lucky one to get a job, but how you got it won't be reproducible for a bootcamp in the industry to survive off replicating :S. 4. Holding pattern - keep building projects, maybe turn one of them into a "startup" and keep writing code every day, and jump on any opportunity that shows up. We see some bootcamp grads get jobs > 12 months post graduation and if you keep at it long enough and genuinely don't give up and keep trying every day, eventually some job will popup. But like #3, if you are running a bootcamp, is that the model you want to say is the best way to get a job? So all of this aside, a reason to not do a bootcamp right now is that while you might have the sheer determination to get a job even if i takes 2 years, the bootcamp you go to might not exist then.

u/g8rojas wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

sir.. are you promoting they misrepresent themselves? >Try to come across as a more experienced ....  that **doesn't really know the difference**

u/michaelnovati replied ·
I'm not promoting that at all, it's just a fact that a number of bootcamp grads do that to get jobs and I'm reporting on the facts.

u/crimsonslaya wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

Dude, those programs did not get thousands up on thousands of applicants. lmao I'm also seeing a decent number of entry level jobs. Stop fear mongering while pimping out your unnecessarily expensive program.

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I tell it how it is and Formation would be WAY better off if thousands of people went to bootcamps and went to Formation down the road, which is why I emphasize that these are my personal opinions. Our investors might get angry at me for deterring people away. Maybe read all of these comments instead of my little post :P: https://www.reddit.com/r/codingbootcamp/s/maKdYSF2CC Speaking on behalf of Formation, we do not accept bootcamp grads without any work experience right now and haven't for at least a year and they are not our target audience. If you are a bootcamp grad and can't get a job for a year, good luck, we can't help you, but come to Formation in a year or two after you do get a first job and we can help with the second, third, fourth, and fifth.