u/sourcingnoob89 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Isn’t CodeSmith doing the same shenanigans as Lambda School? Like made up placement stats, fake work experience, etc. They haven’t drawn much attention outside the bootcamp world since they didn’t get greedy with VC money and ISAs.
u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
So Codesmith genuinely has good intentions, and they do some things incredibly well. They do a lot of things not very well. That's reasonable, no company is perfect.
I believe in every number Codesmith presents is trying to be accurate, while also being marketing and that is maybe a similarity to Lambda School. Austen presenting what he felt was accurate information spun in very interesting ways - ex. 100% of cohort placed with very small sample size (not revealing sample size of 1)
Ultimately it comes down to outcomes. If you have good material to work with, and spin the marketing positively, then you have success. If you don't have good outcomes and spin the marketing, you end up potentially with problems and people being mislead.
Codesmith continues to have good outcomes relative to it's peers in the bootcamp industry, however the elephant in the room is that the INDUSTRY is doing very poorly.
Codesmith is pivoting to a narrative about the "modern software engineer", which is about justifying people taking non software engineering roles that combining their past experience with coding.
I LOVE THIS IDEA! But I HATE that they frame this as THE "modern engineer" across the whole industry because it's just not true.
We're about to see an exploding in technical jobs created by AI, and we're going to need all of these people to fill those roles.
Instead Codesmith is clutching to their pride about creating the 'software engineering leaders of the industry' instead of engaging with people like me that can help. I got yelled at for 3 minutes straight by the CEO in a large call recently, for example instead of welcoming my good intentioned challenges.