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Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Hi, I can’t comment on that directly because of pending legal matters. I’d just refer you to what I’ve already posted [https://www.reddit.com/user/michaelnovati/submitted/](https://www.reddit.com/user/michaelnovati/submitted/) about other programs and also marketing and expectations concerns for context.

Codesmith is still a scam · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · DELETED · archived copy ★ FEATURED
I can’t comment on any of this at the moment due to legal reasons. I’ve been advised not to make any further statements about Codesmith or its programs while this matter is active. Anyone who wants context can look at what I’ve previously said directly and review the public sources I cited at the time. I can’t add or restate anything beyond that right now.

Codesmith is still a scam · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I'm not allowed to share primary new documentary because of ongoing legal matters, but what was reported publicly on Reddit about these matters can be found here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/codingbootcamp/comments/1e7n7y1/breaking\_news\_course\_report\_bootcamp\_review/](https://www.reddit.com/r/codingbootcamp/comments/1e7n7y1/breaking_news_course_report_bootcamp_review/)

Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I explained this previously but we had a situation last year where accounts associated with the Reddit marketing network were manipulating discussions in the bootcamp space and I explained the moderation rules in the sticky. I was a mod queue 0 person and cleared out the queue daily but we defaulted to accepting the filtering unless there were very strong signals to warrant an override.

Should Michael Novati remain a moderator of this subreddit? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I want to restate using a different past example I've said before: One of the things I spoke about was the git contributor graphs on all the open source projects being like spikes. There are no 'legit' open source projects that have these patterns. That makes Codesmith's open source projects very different from say Firefox or React or Angular, etc... The same analogy applies here. How Formation people represent their resumes is completely different than how Codesmith people do fundamentally because the underlying goods are different. I'm sure there are rogue Formation people and rogue Codesmith people that have out of date LinkedIns and who classified things wrong. Even the fact that the boxes are under "experience" itself is irrelevant to my point. There could be problems with A and not B, with A and B, with not A and not B, A and B need to be independent and not compared in my opi…

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Should Michael Novati remain a moderator of this subreddit? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I hear your feedback and it will be heard in thinking of names for future programs. Like I said earlier, a small minority of people have even put Formation on their resume for the past 2-3 years (a lot of the people you find are not current active members of Formation) so it's not a high priority thing to change across the board that will have a lot of impact. That doesn't mean it's not heard, I disagree that it's a misleading word, but I hear you and it's noted because if potential customers are confused about the naming all the time that doesn't help us whatsoever and we have to listen to feedback.

Should Michael Novati remain a moderator of this subreddit? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Resume representation is nuanced argument that you probably understand but most people outside the industry wouldn't. The vast majority of people are working engineers that don't even think about putting Formation on their resumes. Some people who have been with us a long time - like years - have it on. Some of those people aren't even at Formation and they abandoned the job hunt. The representation is clear. I have never heard of a recruiter or company thinking that Formation was a job. I can't think of background check someone ever had for Formation as a job. Codesmith, the vast majority of people put their projects down as a work experience directly adjacent to an Open Source Projects bucket, making it look more like work. The description buries the 'accelerated by OS Labs' in the footer collapsed - if it's there at all. Part of the mental trick is that they tell you 'Don't lie ab…

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Should Michael Novati remain a moderator of this subreddit? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
1. The person 'exposed' is a person who put on his LinkedIn what he said he did and was doing that during that entire time window. 2. That person was at Formation 2021 and half the stuff he did doesn't exist anymore because we have a dynamic platform with a few thousand things and it changes every day.

Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I've removed my own posts before. If Codesmith triggers numerous Reddit AI they need to ask themselves why and fix the behavior. I can't tell entirely on my side but I gave them numerous suggestions over time. They keep falsely saying I'm deleting their posts. Reddit AI removes and flags them -> I or another mod typically mass remove all flagged content. That's the standard in our community right now.

Should Michael Novati remain a moderator of this subreddit? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
In 2022, Codesmith -> Formation was an adjacent decision that the time and I would say up to 10% of people could be at the top end of the Codesmith side or the bottom end of the Formation side, but that there was a best decision on one side or the other that required zooming in to see which side they fall on. I'm arguing that 3 people I know of were right on the border and could have gone either way.

Should Michael Novati remain a moderator of this subreddit? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
1. Our numbers only include full time SWE work experience and exclude contract roles, internships and non-SWE work. 2. In 2022 the average amount of experience was lower, but you can see that that the vast majority had work experience already even then. The people who didn't have work experience were mostly bootcamp GRADUATES who were job hunting for their first full time job and wanted to level up even more. We don't accept those people. 3. This data is from 3 years ago around when I started participating in the sub. Things changes and you should read our newest report for H1 2025, or even 2024 annual. The reported in that article cherry picked 2024 and 2025 data so you should use the same. 4. You can have non-computer science background and still have worked for 3 years as a SWE. 5. Not everyone wants to be a Senior Engineer at FAANG, but the intention of those people was largely t…

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Should Michael Novati remain a moderator of this subreddit? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · · edited ★ FEATURED
I support reasonable and respectful, fact-based discussion about if I should be a mod or not so that the discussion is transparent. My opinion is that anonymous mods with power are more dangerous than transparent ones because we all have biases. I have email chains explaining the following to Codesmith leadership from Spring 2024 explaining all of this as well. Codesmith has yet to explain directly why they disagree with this framing, but continue to call my company a competitor. This is my stance on my biases: 1. For the record. Formation is not a coding bootcamp and it doesn't compete for coding bootcamp students. We work with experienced engineers later on in their careers, about 1/3 of which were bootcamp grads in the past. The average work experience now is about 4-5 years of SWE work experience. With regards to Codesmith, I'm aware of 3 people who were deciding between Codesm…

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Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
You should talk to your cousin because he'll confirm that I'm on the ground. extremely responsive. almost 24/7 to pretty much everything that's happening at formation that I'm I'm writing a s*** ton of code and that no one talks about codesmith or really cares about it whatsoever internally. and he'll probably be like absolutely shocked that there's you in this situation going on.

Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I mean I don't know what to call my relationship with them. from my point of view in my head it's like a interest. I have a small number of things on my radar on the side. that's not related to my primary day-to-day in any way and I pay attention to those things and collect information and some things. I drop some things I add, merge whatever it's like. not a single word to describe this, I would call it an interest.

Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I mean I think it's a gray area. I was very transparent that I believe that my relationship to bootcamps is that it's in my interest for people to go to my company in the future. so if I'm very helpful in choosing the right bootcamp and it was the right choice and the person goes there then they are more likely to come to my company in the future. so if the right boot camp for you is Codesmith and I direct you there you remember that and then you come back to my company in the future. I personally don't think that's a conflict of interest, but it's a bias to disclose. That I guess there is some self-interest in being really helpful to people at the bootcamp stage. But it's ridiculous to state that I'm running a direct competitor to bootcamps and trying to funnel people to it. That article states that Codesmith lost $9 million because of Reddit or something to that effect approximately…

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Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I've done several investigations into companies and rule number one is you have to document everything from day one because even if you make a statement that happens to be true. If you didn't have evidence of it and stated it as a fact then that's a problem. there's some wiggle room for good faith and you can misinterpret something or make a human error. More like how Reddit reset their chat in like January 2023 and all past chats were permanently erased so there could have been content in there that in good faith doesn't exist anymore. One of the reasons that I've been so open is that I've also been protecting my ass since day one very carefully. The problem being that a lot of the documentation is private messages or documents that contain a ton of personal information that were shared publicly in public places and are fair game, but it's not fair game to dox people regardless. I co…

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Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
When I interviewed Codesmith grads and they flat out lied about their projects being work. One said his manager was "Phil Troutman" who was the lead instructor at the time. I've never seen this before and when it happened a second time I got interested and Googled and found this https://www.reddit.com/r/TechLA/comments/b7xl98/codesmith_coding_bootcamp_scam_beware/ The polarization was notable. So then I started digging. I started looking up the GitHubs for the companies I was seeing on the people's resumes who were applying to get into Formation. The GitHub projects all had these very odd spiky kit patterns where there are these spikes for 3 weeks and then absolute emptiness. I started clicking through the various projects and they all had these same very weird patterns. Then I look up the outcomes and I see that people are making over $100,000 a year salaries. I'm a person that d…

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Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
FWIW I talked to Codesmith's CEO earlier this year in a call and told her about it. She also agreed this stuff was crazy but since everyone left Codesmith she couldn't figure out who was responsible or why. So the defense is 'likely rogue former employee or contractor, sorry'. Then two weeks ago, fake LinkedIn account puffing up all their founder's comments against me. Account deleted and removed. No one takes responsibility. Not Codesmith, no idea. If Codesmith doesn't know anything I need to find the truth.

Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
No, not right now, I've always been about the truth and getting to the bottom of things and I dig to understand not to destroy. I'm a moderator here to push respectful public discourse, to push for accountability in an industry full of scams and lawsuits for fake marketing and that's my goal. I give credit where credit is due, and supported many people going to Codesmith over the years. But I hold people accountable, which is ironic for the position I've been blindsided with this week. Codesmith takes about this stuff too but I hear two polarizing stories and I've been digging to figure it out. Codesmith is uncomfortable with for a reason and I want to push them to do better, not to shutdown. People don't seem interested in discussions like this: [https://www.reddit.com/r/codingbootcamp/comments/1f0rrjf/navigating\_the\_debate\_bootcamps\_criticism\_and/](https://www.reddit.com/r/codin…

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Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
My question is where did that money go then? It didn't go to Formation sure as hell. It didn't go to defunct Rithm. Didn't go to Launch School. Didn't go to Hack Reactor with it's single digit cohorts. Didn't go to EdX that shutdown its bootcamps. Didn't go to App Academy or BloomTech or Launch Academy that paused indefinitely. Epicodus maybe? Shut down. Code Up? Shut down. Answer: it went no where because the industry collapsed. This is the plain and simple answer that the author didn't look into and that it's absurd for Codesmith to claim and severely damages my reputation with what any reasonable person in the industry would know makes no sense. Maybe it was taken out of context by the author. 40% decline of a smaller number maybe? Codesmith leaders have been celebrating the article so I assume it's correct.

Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
The little popup log shows just todays approval at 5pm. We had a major problem with fake accounts - particularly pro Codesmith ones - that we're comments all over the place. You might also notice that those "top SEO posts" mentioned are not MY POSTS, but deleted accounts and also very odd posts. These three posts show the aftermath of cleanup outside of this sub: [https://www.reddit.com/r/codesmith/comments/1iduu2d/im\_jehovany\_i\_graduated\_codesmith\_in\_2020\_and\_now/](https://www.reddit.com/r/codesmith/comments/1iduu2d/im_jehovany_i_graduated_codesmith_in_2020_and_now/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/codesmith/comments/1ilpihd/im\_ayleen\_a\_software\_engineer\_and\_current/](https://www.reddit.com/r/codesmith/comments/1ilpihd/im_ayleen_a_software_engineer_and_current/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/codesmith/comments/1i8yr3f/im\_principal\_associate\_software\_engineer\_at/](https://…

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Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
My comments are too boring to write an article about. This is the type of commentary I had for 2.5 years until the market collapsed and Codesmith hired this Reddit guy that completely screwed up their Reddit presence and left me very personally upset. The good old days were much better. I wish that guy would tell a fair story from both sides.

Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
1. We compete on new AI stuff programs for existing engineers, that came out a month or two ago for us, I acknowledged that, and it hasn't impacted any of the 3-4 year long drama going on, but it could impact future stuff. This sub has minimal discussion about AI programs as it's focused on coding bootcamps. I will continue to be transparent about biases. 2. Formation used to help people do portfolio building projects and stopped many years ago. The author called though out too. It's not completely irrelevant, but it's not at all what Codesmith was doing. When we accepted people right out of bootcamps back then, Codesmith grads came to Formation directly and saw it as a complementary continuation of their journey. For a couple of years now though we don't accept those people and work mostly with 5+ year engineers so naturally the need for portfolio projects is almost zero. The platform…

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Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I don't really believe in absolutes. I understand the perception. I responded in a 10 part comment in this thread [https://www.reddit.com/r/codingbootcamp/comments/1o1guxj/comment/nikv1ts/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/codingbootcamp/comments/1o1guxj/comment/nikv1ts/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) I don't agree with the perception but I understand that many people feel that way after reading that article.

Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Part of the disconnect is what those things mean. We're talking about preparing you for FAANG jobs at the senior level. Codesmith does not prepare you for FAANG senior jobs, does not have deep market understanding for negotiation of those jobs, etc... That debate IS the 3 year story here and it's more boring and nuanced than sensationalism.

Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I know 3 people off the top of my head that did Formation that could have done Codesmith, out of like thousands or so. They are completely different programs for different people, but everyone is unique and there are some edge cases that overlap. I explained this all to Codesmith leaders for years (Eric via email, Alina via phone) and I would love nothing if we could get on the same page about what Formation is relative to Codesmith.

Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I have been extremely consistent about my criticisms overall and they are very valid criticisms. >Codesmith markets itself as a zero -> mid-level bootcamp that turns people with no experience into mid-level and senior engineers. I feel this is bad for the people whether they get those jobs or not. I've seen the struggles of bootcamp grads once in the industry and I think that taking entry level roles and apprenticeships is the right path for these people. This is a very fair opinion but Codesmith feels completely attacked by this. >Codesmith presents their 3-4 week open source projects as 4 months of mid level software engineer experience. I looked at those projects. Most don't work well, have major bugs, bad code issues, security issues, etc... and I pointed these things out. People fish for "GitHub Stars" Medium clasps, etc... and learn how to hype up their projects, but no one actua…

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Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I feel like I've explained this numerous times but I guess there is a new audience now from this post. I have been transparent about this the entire time and the author didn't even mention that and created a new narrative instead. It's not really fair to summarize '1000 comments' without presenting the consistent arguments I've made in those comments, and instead pulling out the juicy ones. 1. Codesmith markets itself as a zero -> mid-level bootcamp that turns people with no experience into mid-level and senior engineers. I feel this is bad for the people whether they get those jobs or not. I've seen the struggles of bootcamp grads once in the industry and I think that taking entry level roles and apprenticeships is the right path for these people. This is a very fair opinion but Codesmith feels completely attacked by this. 2. Codesmith presents their 3-4 week open source projects as…

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Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
PART 10 1. Given your ongoing ownership in Formation, do you accept that your actions could reasonably be viewed as financially motivated? I don't accept that whatsoever no. 1. Has Formation’s pivot away from bootcamp training coincided with your campaign against Codesmith, and if so, is this related? Formation never had a bootcamp training model, and never pivoted away from it. We've had the same platform since day one. The target audience has shifted more and more senior. We used to years ago have like 1/3 people bootcamp grads post graduation without work experience, 2/3 of people experienced software engineers. Now we have 99% of people with 2+ years of work experience. Nothing has actually changed internally, same platform, same interview prep, same mentors. 1. How do you respond to the observation that Formation students list their own training on LinkedIn in the same way you…

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Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
PART 9 1. Have you ever deleted posts or comments from\*r/codingbootcamp that defended Codesmith or challenged your statements? I don't remember. I rarely delete posts. If people make provably factually incorrect statements as facts and not opinions is the only time I would consider removing something. Like "It's a fact you beat your spouse" is something that would be removed if there is not evidence of that fact. The one thing I remember doing is if accounts are later suspended from Reddit and I see their content I I remove it. Sometimes Reddit does this automatically sometimes they don't. This could be biased because I'm more likely to read my own past content and see these there than other places. 1. Have you ever used your moderator privileges to pin or highlight negative material about competitors? Not that I know of - or at least not with that intention. I consciously allow cr…

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Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
PART 8 1. Why did you compare Codesmith to the NXIVM sex cult, and do you consider that comparison proportionate or responsible? I didn't compare Codesmith to a sex-cult. I commented that someone's reason for going there 'it changed my life and the lives of many others' is something that I hear in cult documentaries on HBO, which I stand by as my opinion. Codesmith is not a sex-cult. 1. Do you accept that implying cult-like behaviour without evidence may constitute reputational harm? If you state as a fact or with fraudulent/nefarious intention then that would be wrong to me regardless of harm. I have full right to share my personal opinions on Reddit that are solely my personal opinions through my lens and people can agree or disagree with those opinions. 1. Did you personally research and contact a Codesmith employee’s son on LinkedIn before emailing the company about him, and if…

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Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · · edited ★ FEATURED
PART 7 1. How do you reconcile your position as a Reddit moderator for [r/codingbootcamp](https://www.reddit.com/r/codingbootcamp/) with your financial interest as co-founder of Formation, a direct competitor in the same industry (at one time, at least)? My company is not a direct competitor and was founder after our founder ran an actual bootcamp and say more opportunity helping bootcamp grads from all bootcamps instead of competing. We in fact have positive relationships with Codesmith's direct competitors Rithm (now closed) and Launch School (who recommends us to their grads). 1. Have you disclosed this conflict of interest to Reddit administrators or the community you moderate? I'm transparent about who I am on here, I use my real name, and I was very active here for a year or two with the same content I have now before I became a mod. 1. Between 2024 and 2025, you posted hundr…

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Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
In observing bootcamp can't market and seeing all and knowing a bunch of people in the industry, there are some really good things and some really bad things and I feel like the marketing does not align with what I saw in reality and I want to moderate that thanks. This sub isn't for or against bootcamp, it's about discussing them.

Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I need a blog post of equal length to explain that and am deciding if I should or not. Formations's founder Sophie started a bootcamp in 2017. In 2019 I joined her to start Formation after deciding bootcamps are not a good business model and we wanted to build an interview prep platform to help bootcamp grads land better jobs later on, rather than compete with bootcamps. The explicit goal and reason we raised funding was to NOT BE A BOOTCAMP.

Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
PART 6 * Independent data from the Council on Integrity in Results Reporting (CIRR) verifies Codesmith’s student outcomes, showing around seventy percent of graduates securing relevant employment within one year and median salaries of approximately $110,000. CIRR is not independent. It's a 501 6c business group/like a lobbying agency. It's charter is to represent bootcamps. * Reddit’s Moderator Code of Conduct prohibits moderators from using their position for financial or competitive advantage. I don't believe I am competing with Codesmith and my commentary hasn't changed from before and after being mod. * As a co-founder and equity holder of Formation, Novati stood to benefit financially from reputational harm caused to a rival institution. This represents a direct conflict of interest and a potential breach of the moderation code. I don't agree with this at all. We work with boo…

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Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
PART 5 * Prospective students withdrew applications after encountering the negative threads on Reddit. * Codesmith’s revenue declined by approximately eighty percent, with about half of that attributed directly to the sustained Reddit campaign. I can't comment on the number of applications because I don't know the exact numbers, but I'm curious how many this actually is. The article grossly overstates the impact of Reddit on their funnel and understates the impact of the market. Their main competitor entirely shut down and their other main competitor is scaling back. For all I know all the talk about Codesmith kept their numbers UP when they would have shut down otherwsie. * The company’s headcount fell from seventy to fifteen employees. I believe this is true and the entire industry has experienced huge layoffs of similar magnitudes - and entire shutdowns. * Founder and former C…

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Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
PART 4 * Formation students have been shown to list their own training in a similar fashion on their CVs, which undermines the basis of Novati’s criticism. They do not in general. The example used was from 5 years ago when someone who did project based work at Formation that hasn't been offered for a while. Of the small number of people that list Formation, the vast majority, it's clear from the descriptions what it is. Codesmith students are crafted to appear like jobs and it's so bad we had to train our team to recognize Codesmith experience and not count it. * Across numerous threads, Novati used overlapping or contradictory accusations to generate confusion and impede fact-checking. This is a generalization. I protect the individuals that talk to me so I don't show their DMs. * He deleted comments, including his own, to distort the visible record of conversations and to suggest…

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Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
PART 3 * He made repeated allegations of nepotism against a Codesmith employee after discovering that the employee’s wife had completed a one-time contract with the company and that their son later enrolled as a student. I made that claim once or twice. * Novati researched the son’s LinkedIn profile, referred to him publicly in Reddit threads, and contacted Codesmith executives directly by email to repeat his allegations. This is not correct no. A GitHub project I saw just happened to have the person on it that I recognized the last name of and I looked at their LinkedIn. I then emailed executives about it because his dad is the lead career/negotiation advisor and I figured it he likely looked over his son's resume and LinkedIn that contained significant exaggerations. * He subsequently advanced claims that Codesmith students were falsifying résumés through their participation in “o…

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Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
PART 2 * From that position, Novati began posting extensively about a direct competitor, Codesmith. Over a period of 487 days, he published 425 negative comments or posts referencing the company—an average of almost one per day. Not true. I posted about Codesmith extensively prior to becoming a mod. I don't have a count, but a number of the comments are on spiraling threads with dozens of comments. I think the heat map of commenting on a given day is more telling. * Approximately ninety percent of his statements concerning Codesmith were negative in sentiment. I don't agree with that. I write multi paragraph comments with lots of sentiments in them. My overall tone has been increasingly negative since September 2024. * Threads originating from r/codingbootcamp subsequently began ranking highly on Google searches for “Codesmith,” often displaying titles such as “Codesmith is an enorm…

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Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
PART 1 (there are comment length limits so going to reply in pieces) HISTORY: * Novati left Facebook in 2017. In 2009, Novati joined Facebook as a software engineer, progressing rapidly to the level of Principal Engineer (E7). He has publicly recounted a story about a game of Risk in which he deliberately betrayed Mark Zuckerberg, framing it as an example of “strategic thinking.” The anecdote offers an early insight into his competitive approach to professional relationships. The Risk story is true. I don't agree with the characterization. * Novati left Facebook in 2017. True. * In 2019, he co-founded the coding bootcamp Formation with his wife, Sophie Novati, who assumed the role of Chief Executive Officer. Novati became Chief Technology Officer. Not true. Sophie started a free coding bootcamp in 2017 called Buildschool. She realized that coding bootcamps were not a scalable bus…

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Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
1. Thanks for clarifying the relationship with him, I will drop that. Do you know why he didn't request a comment? Journalism ethics 101. 2. You are seriously wrong about the "removed by moderator" thing. Many posts don't even show up in the mod queue. Once they do, they show internally removed by a moderator in addition, but publicly they all show the same message all the time. The moderator is Reddit AI I guess.

Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
There was a fake account on LinkedIn liking all their stuff that is now suspended as well. With my moderator hat on, I'm being accused of bias while actively protecting Codesmith from the consequences of their own marketing decisions. I approve posts that should probably stay filtered. I give them more leniency than other bootcamps. I've consistently tried explaining how Reddit works and how to fix their reputation signals. On my criticism of their program: Yes, I've been critical of specific Codesmith practices since 2022 - whether bootcamp grads should present 3-week projects as "4 months of mid-level experience" or market themselves as "mid-level engineers" with zero professional experience. I have strong opinions backed by outcomes data and CIRR reports. But that has nothing to do with how I moderate. I've been equally critical of other bootcamps like TripleTen, BloomTech, App Ac…

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Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
1. I spend most of my time coding not on Reddit: github.com/mnovati 2. Copied over first response I'm going to focus on the MODERATION ACCUSATION first since that seems to be the main issue. What moderating r/codingbootcamp actually looks like: I don't own the sub - I report to the owner who asked me to help after I'd been one of the most active and helpful contributors. The coding bootcamp industry is absolutely infested with astroturfing. Brand new accounts, manufactured conversations, fake testimonials. It's constant daily spam trying to manipulate people making $15K-20K decisions. My job is to support authentic discussion. We have above-average Reddit AI filters. We generally don't review flagged content because we can't tell who these suspicious brand new accounts are. Occasionally we approve legitimate posts caught in filters. The accusation that I delete Codesmith's posts:…

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u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
A dozen or two in 1-1 conversations? I didn't liken Codesmith to a sex-cult. I likened the statement that a person made 'go because X changed my life and the lives of many others' to the language used by people about joining cults in general. I stand by that. I would never tell someone to go to Codesmith because "it will change your life". You should have gone (until 2024) if you were extremely ambitious, successful in your previous job, a good communicator, and had a natural affinity to coding.

Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I can't summarize here because it's long and I have like an 8 page press briefing doc lol but you're right that there is more to the story. Like how they hired a Reddit hitman and the guy got dozens of accounts suspended. All of their instructors are a pyramid of graduates from the school itself. They lost their AWS root phone number and their website and email were down for 3 weeks. And dozens of other relevant facts. There are two sides to every story and both sides should be heard. Bootcamps are failing. Codesmith did very well in the good times but their grads were systematically exaggerating their Codesmith projects into average of 11 months (my Nov 2023 analysis of 50 grads). I still recommended people go there during those times, but I was cautioning the 'right people' should go there who know how it works and what they are in for. Unfortunately even in 2024-2025 those tactics…

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u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
That's a fair point that I should dig more into the person, I accept that. I was originally quite pissed off he wrote a piece entirely about ME PERSONALLY and didn't even ask me for comment. This is Journalism 101 ethics to do that. There are two sides to every story and I think Reddit is better off if I'm transparent about who I am. That opens up people guessing at my intentions, but they really should just ASK ME instead of making it up. Just imagine the manipulation from anonymous mods that you have no idea what their biases and motivations are and I think that's worse.

Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

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Like for what! Salaries = what people in the jobs have told me. Future Code = public records with NYC and people who worked on it said the same numbers. I'm being vague because I don't want on the record how much I know and the guy who wrote this really should have talked to me to hear my side. It would make for a better piece.

Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Codesmith absolutely has a right to defend themselves against critcism and we both play by the same rules. The problem as I see it is that their defense is weak, they can't accept reality, can't adapt fast enough, and are trying to scapegoat me. Codesmith had numerous accounts suspended, flagged, etc... and that's all on them for their behaviors, not me. I use just one account, in excellent condition for 10+ years.

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You clearly participated in this post because there are internal emails and metrics that only you could have provided them. so if it if you're saying you have no relationship with this individual, any of his companies, any of his brands and it's completely unrelated, then the person never once asked me for comment and to post such a extensive piece and then block me everywhere so that I can't comment is authoritarian censorship and I won't stand for it.

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Codesmith gives away all of their CSX content in a single JSON file so you can turn it into anything with AI trivially. The fact that they haven't updated it when I can grab this and improve it with AI in minutes is major incompetence. Other places have open source content you can grab too. But that fact is also why you won't get anywhere doing it yourself either. It just goes to show you why bootcamps are failing and not even doing anything about it. Icing on the cake is Codesmith is producing all these high production value marketing videos and patting everyone on the back for them and entirely missing the point....