u/reddingdave wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Given the recent article that came out about his behavior, and the attention it's gotten: Original thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/codingbootcamp/comments/1o1guxj/thoughts_on_this_blog_post_alleging_harassment/ Hacker News: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45521920 Primeag
u/michaelnovati replied · · edited ★ FEATURED
I support reasonable and respectful, fact-based discussion about if I should be a mod or not so that the discussion is transparent. My opinion is that anonymous mods with power are more dangerous than transparent ones because we all have biases.
I have email chains explaining the following to Codesmith leadership from Spring 2024 explaining all of this as well. Codesmith has yet to explain directly why they disagree with this framing, but continue to call my company a competitor.
This is my stance on my biases:
1. For the record. Formation is not a coding bootcamp and it doesn't compete for coding bootcamp students. We work with experienced engineers later on in their careers, about 1/3 of which were bootcamp grads in the past. The average work experience now is about 4-5 years of SWE work experience.
With regards to Codesmith, I'm aware of 3 people who were deciding between Codesmith and Formation, out of thousands and these were there situations:
a) Ivy league math grad, enrolled in Codesmith, it was too early on for his journey and he felt more advanced. He withdrew, came to Formation and then placed at Palantir.
b) Someone with no experience who was considering Codesmith. Another prospective Codesmith student suggested Formation based on the person's journey. The person came to Formation and placed at Statsig.
c) Someone with no experience who wanted to do Formation. She had a lot of drive and hustle and I told her to go to Codesmith. She said she might. About 6 months later she told me she didn't go to Codesmith, instead she just straight up got a SWE job and was ready for Formation now. We accepted her and she got a job at Google.
Codesmith claims they have 5000+ grads (the number they use in different places varies from 3500, 4000, and 5000). So to me the people that overlap are edge cases and not a primary business driver or target audience.
At the same time, we've worked with dozens of Codesmith ALUMNI later on in their career. Many successfully placed at FAANG-level companies, some placed at ok company, some withdrew. **Overall we have an order of magnitude more Codesmith ALUMNI joining us later on than Codesmith STUDENTS.**
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