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Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

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In my opinion, Codesmith’s leadership appears to have overestimated the impact of my Reddit comments and attributed broader market and business challenges to them. Based on publicly visible engagement metrics, many of my comments receive relatively limited visibility, often dozens to low hundreds of views, and many are buried deep within long threads. By contrast, several negative posts about Codesmith written by individuals I do not know received tens of thousands of views. I had no involvement in those posts. I cannot discuss all of the underlying information I have reviewed, but based on my assessment of publicly available data, industry trends, and the overall decline affecting many coding bootcamps, I believe the challenges facing Codesmith are primarily market-driven rather than caused by my commentary. It is also my understanding that Reddit was discussed internally at Codesmit…

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AMA: 👋 I'm Michael. Former-moderator of the sub, Facebook top performer, "the Coding Machine", junior -> principal / 2009-2017, helper of bootcamps students and grads, founder of Formation for experienced engineers preparing for interviews. · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
1. Both are good languages to learn the common programming concepts without too much language specific unique things that could distract. AI is making languages less relevant over time. 2. Either. JavaScript is used in all parts of the stack so I would choose it as my first language.If I was more on the data side/analytics and wanted to superpower my job I would do Python. 3. It always depends on you and your situation and I don't blank recommend a bootcamp for everyone. Heck even after all the crap I've been through with Codesmith, there are specific people for whom it could be a good fit still, and I would recommend it to people if it's the right choice for them. My main advice in 2026 is not read too much into past reviews and performance because most bootcamps have changed unrecognizably... whether notable staff changes or changing programs (where reviews apply to older programs),…

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Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · · edited ★ FEATURED
For those following this discussion, I believe this exchange highlights the core disagreement. You’ve stated publicly that you managed Codesmith’s finances and described the company during that period as a “clown show.” In the blog post, however, the only causes cited for Codesmith’s decline were Reddit activity and broader market conditions, with no reference to internal operational issues that we both were aware of at the time. That discrepancy is notable. My Reddit activity has been undertaken in a personal capacity, reflecting my own views and opinions, as I have consistently stated for 4 years. Given that, it is not possible to infer someone’s internal intent without direct evidence. Characterizing my conduct as a coordinated, bad-faith attack directed by executives or driven by improper motives is inaccurate and harmful to my reputation. If there are specific factual statements…

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Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I’ve operated in good faith throughout this entire situation. If I make a good-faith mistake, I correct them as fast as possible, often in minutes or hours, and I've continuously displayed an openness to correction. Personal attacks like this don’t address any substance. Calling someone a liar, especially while remaining anonymous, through a rotating list of accounts that seem to primarily engage only with me, is easy, but it doesn't go unnoticed or undocumented. There are already formal legal proceedings and written responses addressing these issues in detail. I stand by my position, and I will continue to defend my reputation through appropriate channels. If you want to discuss facts, I’m open to that. If not, I won’t participate in character attacks.

Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
In my personal view, there appears to be a strong internal narrative within Codesmith leadership about my intentions and activity. I don’t have visibility into how those discussions occur, but from the outside it often feels like my posts are interpreted in the most negative possible light. What isn’t visible publicly is that I’ve had many one-on-one conversations over the years with individuals who reached out privately. Those conversations were independent and not coordinated. Some people expressed appreciation for perspectives I shared, particularly when they felt uncomfortable speaking publicly at the time. I’ve also frequently played devil’s advocate in private and public discussions. When people made strong criticisms of Codesmith leadership or staff, I often tried to explore alternative explanations or encourage nuance rather than assume bad intent. I genuinely wish I were give…

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Thoughts on this blog post alleging harassment (and worse) against Codesmith? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · DELETED · archived copy ★ FEATURED
RE: "lying" I think (my opinion) Codesmith execs have some kind bubble around this, where they reinforce this idea to each other, like a Slack channel where they share things I post and pile on to me about it, but there really is another side and you can't see my DMs by definition to see it. I have 1-1 conversations, no coordinated groups, and many people (completely independently) thank me for 'telling the truth' because they didn't want to speak publicly about it at the time (although that could have changed since this blog post because I'm sure people are very fired up now at what they perceive as an 'injustice' against me, not sure since I can't discuss this with any of them anymore). You'd be surprised how much I also defended or played devil's advocate to people who said some pretty negative examples about leader's behavior and I was always trying to explore why or look at from ot…

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AMA: 👋 I'm Michael. Former-moderator of the sub, Facebook top performer, "the Coding Machine", junior -> principal / 2009-2017, helper of bootcamps students and grads, founder of Formation for experienced engineers preparing for interviews. · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Yeah I pinged our marketing person :P Here is an example of Friday's: # Engineering Digest — February 13, 2026 [Scaling LLM Post-Training at Netflix](https://netflixtechblog.com/scaling-llm-post-training-at-netflix-0046f8790194?source=rss----2615bd06b42e---4) (*The Netflix Tech Blog*) stands out today. The team details a migration from standard SPMD loops to a hybrid actor-controller architecture on Ray to support on-policy RL. The most interesting engineering nugget is their solution for model portability: using coding agents to automaticallt port Hugging Face architectures into internal optimized kernels, strictly gated by logit equivalence tests to catch tokenizer skew. For systems engineers, [Shedding old code with ecdysis](https://blog.cloudflare.com/ecdysis-rust-graceful-restarts/) (*The Cloudflare Blog*) addresses the classic problem of dropping packets during binary upgrades.…

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AMA: 👋 I'm Michael. Former-moderator of the sub, Facebook top performer, "the Coding Machine", junior -> principal / 2009-2017, helper of bootcamps students and grads, founder of Formation for experienced engineers preparing for interviews. · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Hey, you should ping your Fellow Manager team in your channel to ask. It depends on your contract, your progress, your activity, etc... We're try to be as flexible as possible and if you are in good faith participating and job hunting we are more likely to extend. If you want to pause to do something in between its important to communicate it to the team so we have a record. If you disappear and we try to contact you over numerous months and you don't respond, and then come back saying you did projects for three months, that's not a good reason to extend. Our job is to be your coach/mentor in the process, and there is trust both ways, so 'good faith' both ways is critical to that relationship.

AMA: 👋 I'm Michael. Former-moderator of the sub, Facebook top performer, "the Coding Machine", junior -> principal / 2009-2017, helper of bootcamps students and grads, founder of Formation for experienced engineers preparing for interviews. · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Mid-level roles could be an option if you have a network that can push for referrals. In the old bootcamp days, you would get referred by previous alumni, you get an interview, they don't really care about your experience at that point, and you get the job if you prepared well and got coached by the alumni who referred you. Now a days there is a bigger emphasis on hiring manager calls that dig deeper. Not just for red flags but for green lights, and if you don't have big tech mid level experience it will be hard to get a mid level role in big tech. Meta had this "rotational engineer" program exactly for this case to transition you but, they stopped it and shut it down last year. So that's why right now I recommend the adjacent engineer path if you can align something with your background. Alternatively a mid level role at a smaller company that is hyper aligned with your pre-bootcam…

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AMA: 👋 I'm Michael. Former-moderator of the sub, Facebook top performer, "the Coding Machine", junior -> principal / 2009-2017, helper of bootcamps students and grads, founder of Formation for experienced engineers preparing for interviews. · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
That helps. Mini rant first lol: yeah one of the reasons I'm so active in this sub is that the job is often the beginning and not all jobs are the same. I find it very frustrating when bootcamps push people to get offers to boost their stats instead of helping people find a good first step in a long career. I would guess with a bank too there are more guardrails about taking initiative. I think my advice would be to look at tangential role at big tech. Look at Facebook: Business Engineer, IT Engineer, Enterprise Engineer. These are engineering/coding roles generally around integrating 3rd party tools into proprietary code.

AMA: 👋 I'm Michael. Former-moderator of the sub, Facebook top performer, "the Coding Machine", junior -> principal / 2009-2017, helper of bootcamps students and grads, founder of Formation for experienced engineers preparing for interviews. · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
If this is a larger company, then two things: 1. Take initiative to learn larger scale systems outside of your team. Even if you don't work on these systems, exposure to them will help you make a case for a big tech transition 2. Get promoted. Having a promotion within 2 years will also help your resume get noticed. If this is a smaller/non-tech company and you don't have much serious engineering work being done. 1. Get promoted. You want to tell the story of a rocket ship trajectory and if the work is so easy and boring then you should be able to rocket ship your career. Even if you don't have the scale experience, having a number of promotions will stand out. 2. Acknowledge gaps with scale and complex product and don't pretend you have experience you don't. You'll want to study enough to barely get by in those areas..

AMA: 👋 I'm Michael. Former-moderator of the sub, Facebook top performer, "the Coding Machine", junior -> principal / 2009-2017, helper of bootcamps students and grads, founder of Formation for experienced engineers preparing for interviews. · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Hmm it's tough but I would frame it as personal project/exploration time, or a personal break. It depends on exactly what you did and how it all relates. If you have projects during that time you can generally list them. The leveling will depend on the company and how they level. I advise to apply to entry and mid level and let the companies figure it out. And if you still have some expertise in fintech the average person doesn't then it's a legal up at companies like Stripe and Intuit. You might want to check out Gauntlet AI which is Lambda School reincarnated for the second time, with less puffery and more transparency: if you have like a 130+ IQ then you can probably get in and do 16 hours a day of AI :P Their cohort starts Monday.

AMA: 👋 I'm Michael. Former-moderator of the sub, Facebook top performer, "the Coding Machine", junior -> principal / 2009-2017, helper of bootcamps students and grads, founder of Formation for experienced engineers preparing for interviews. · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Yeah I actually have a few dozen and have AI process them all daily and write a daily newsletter, we post it at Formation to all the Fellows :D. I've put in a lot of work and iterated on this for months but it's completely internal and not sharable. Sourcing from TechMeme, and then dozens of top tech company blogs individually. Checkout something like [Feeder.co](http://Feeder.co) and they have a lot of build in blogs.

AMA: 👋 I'm Michael. Former-moderator of the sub, Facebook top performer, "the Coding Machine", junior -> principal / 2009-2017, helper of bootcamps students and grads, founder of Formation for experienced engineers preparing for interviews. · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
My advice is first ask yourself if area X is your passion, and if it is then look into the marketability. I think data roles are always needed but it might manifest in unexpected ways. Like being a customer support analyst at Facebook needs a ton of data skills. Lots of ivy league grads in those roles.

AMA: 👋 I'm Michael. Former-moderator of the sub, Facebook top performer, "the Coding Machine", junior -> principal / 2009-2017, helper of bootcamps students and grads, founder of Formation for experienced engineers preparing for interviews. · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Good question and I don't know, we need more academic research into it haha. AI is a tool. And like any tool, use it as much as possible and build deep intuition. The problem is the time window is small because AI is powerful enough tool to fully supplant juniors. I think you have about 1 year maybe until the end of 2026 to either master AI or be left behind. No offense but juniors need to fight to strap themselves into the luggage storage area on the rocket ship but that's better than not getting on at all.

AMA: 👋 I'm Michael. Former-moderator of the sub, Facebook top performer, "the Coding Machine", junior -> principal / 2009-2017, helper of bootcamps students and grads, founder of Formation for experienced engineers preparing for interviews. · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I haven't experience ageism myself so I can't speak for others, but I can give my 2 cents having worked with people of a large range of experience levels, regardless of age. I have two points. 1. Dunning Kruger. when you have decades of experience you are on the real expert side of the curve. But you have do deal with the bootcamp grad a couple years out who calls themselves an 'industry leader' at peak Dunning Kruger. Those people are hyping AI right now and the more experienced I get the more I roll my eyes at the peak BUT you have to also take AI seriously. So my advice is to look at AI through your experience and 1+1 = 3. [2.Be](http://2.Be) open minded. Kent Beck is one of my mentors over the years and he's an example of someone who inventing testing frameworks, signed the Agile Manifesto, and still voluntarily went to Facebook - which had basically zero tests when he joined, and…

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AMA: 👋 I'm Michael. Former-moderator of the sub, Facebook top performer, "the Coding Machine", junior -> principal / 2009-2017, helper of bootcamps students and grads, founder of Formation for experienced engineers preparing for interviews. · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Hi, good question... So first off, use it. Most of the FAANGs have limitations on AI use (wether its models, or cost, or tools) but I would recommend using low level tools that are either publicly available or very similar. Now, if you are learning you have to fail to learn. So ,second, put in extra time and fail and don't give up. Look for low hanging fruit, like deprecated code and use AI to refactor it, numerous times and in different ways, and pay attention to each step. Use different techniques and models to redo the same thing and compare. I personally broke a ton of stuff and Q4 was really bad for Formation, lots of bugs, lots of angry team members. I fix things fast so the overall product was fine, but just a lot more bugs than there should be. But I sure of heck learned a hell of a lot about AI and I have a strong intuition now and Q1 has been absolutely insane building o…

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AMA: 👋 I'm Michael. Former-moderator of the sub, Facebook top performer, "the Coding Machine", junior -> principal / 2009-2017, helper of bootcamps students and grads, founder of Formation for experienced engineers preparing for interviews. · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I can't disclose what Formation makes but I can say that we have hundreds of engineers doing interview prep at a given time and several thousand ever. But we're really not making that much money in revenue if you ballpark it and we have losses since day on. I personally make $0 salary, have made $0 from equity, no sketchy backchannel compensation, and even put more money into the company when I can. I do it because I feel like the world will be a better place if people land the right role for them and everyone is more impactful than they were. One of my hobbies is studying scams and fraud, and if all those scammers spent their energies on something value add for the world, we would be so much better off. If the bootcamps spent more energy with people getting outcomes then figuring out how to "creatively market" their poor outcomes, it would be better off. So I call out this behavior a…

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AMA: 👋 I'm Michael. Former-moderator of the sub, Facebook top performer, "the Coding Machine", junior -> principal / 2009-2017, helper of bootcamps students and grads, founder of Formation for experienced engineers preparing for interviews. · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Q1: Find WHAT and WHERE you are a top 10% person at and go there. Video games + Amazon Games. Ice Hockey + The NHL. Languages + Duolingo. If you feel average, you have to put in more hours than anyone and you'll put in those hours in an area of passion. If you spend 5 hours a day playing video games and that's what you want to do you have to figure out how to connect that to a company and job. Q2: I don't have a good answer for this one. I can give my personal answer which likely doesn't work for others and has costs, but when things don't go well I build. If I cause a bunch of bugs and feel bad, I don't mope, I fix them all as fast as humanly possible. If I take down the site, I don't freak out, I fix it as fast as humanly possible. So my answer is to build, but yeah, not for everyone. Q3: I think AI is turning testing on its head, see this: [https://engineering.fb.com/2026/02/11/deve…

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AMA: 👋 I'm Michael. Former-moderator of the sub, Facebook top performer, "the Coding Machine", junior -> principal / 2009-2017, helper of bootcamps students and grads, founder of Formation for experienced engineers preparing for interviews. · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I don't think it's going to pop the way people talk about it popping with circular investments all a giant scam about to implode, etc... The efficiency gains are real. Every day I save hours of people's time. If someone spends time on something manually I offer to use AI to replace it. And over time I think we do 3 to 5X more output than we used to without AI with a smaller team. That is undeniable value add and the companies are undercharging for that value creation right now. Meaning there is a ton more room for AI to grow and REAL cash flow. That doesn't mean there will be some investment mistakes that pop along the way, but I don't think it will implode the entire market like some think.

AMA: 👋 I'm Michael. Former-moderator of the sub, Facebook top performer, "the Coding Machine", junior -> principal / 2009-2017, helper of bootcamps students and grads, founder of Formation for experienced engineers preparing for interviews. · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I'm seeing all junior roles of all areas being impacted with no short cut. I'm kind of annoyed that bootcamps keep pivoting to the short term hot area. There was this big pivot to Crypto, then to cyber security, now to medical areas that aren't even programming. It's hard for all juniors because the day to day of what you do is replaceable with the leading age LLMs and tools and bigger companies are still catching up and it's only getting worse. I've given this advice in other answers, but you need judgement through experience to get hired and if you don't have coding experience, leverage the non-technical experience you have. Maybe you played a musical instrument for 15 years, did figure skating, ballet, soccer, collect stamps or pokemon cards, played video games. Whatever you spent more time doing than most people, start by plopping yourself down there and networking.

AMA: 👋 I'm Michael. Former-moderator of the sub, Facebook top performer, "the Coding Machine", junior -> principal / 2009-2017, helper of bootcamps students and grads, founder of Formation for experienced engineers preparing for interviews. · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Hi, sorry to hear that an it depends a lot on the startup. If you were working with other engineers, designers, PMs, customer support etc... even at a small scale, then you have transferable skills to big tech / stable larger companies. I would leverage your network, prepare for interviews and brush up on how it works, and cross your fingers. If you were the only engineer and didn't work with other people, I would try getting a job at another small startup, maybe target YC companies around demo day, expect to work on a contract for no guaranteed time. And plan for more ups and downs. If you have a background in a different area and did a bootcamp, I would target companies aligned with that, where your common experience on a hobby or topic helps you stand out and have better product sense there.

AMA: 👋 I'm Michael. Former-moderator of the sub, Facebook top performer, "the Coding Machine", junior -> principal / 2009-2017, helper of bootcamps students and grads, founder of Formation for experienced engineers preparing for interviews. · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Hi, yeah my 2 cents through the lens I mention my OP. I don't have a pulse on the ratio so I'm not going to guess, but it feels like every entry level engineer, if you didn't go to a top 10 CS school, is a battle right now. My advice if you have a previous career/training/expertise is to stick to your lane and learning programming to do something more technical in the same space. Instead of aiming for a SWE job, you might take 3 years to become a Support Engineer. Many of the bootcamps that haven't shut down are offering some kind of AI thing now and transitioning away from pure SWE programs. An example is let's say you studied nutrition in college and are a personal trainer, this is a realistic trajectory in an AI world: \- learn to program for free for 1-2 years. build a website/app related to your business \- integrate payments, build data analysis etc.. \- launch an app for tr…

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AMA: 👋 I'm Michael. Former-moderator of the sub, Facebook top performer, "the Coding Machine", junior -> principal / 2009-2017, helper of bootcamps students and grads, founder of Formation for experienced engineers preparing for interviews. · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I didn't answer this, one: how do people feel about the change? It doesn't come up that often. If someone didn't get a job well before 15 months, it typically means they stopped job hunting and are ready to move on. And if someone hits that and they are in good faith job hunting, we can extend it. It hasn't been used as a reason that i'm aware of for someone not signing (I vaguely remember one person possibly not signing but I forget). If you joined without a time limit then you aren't impacted.

AMA: 👋 I'm Michael. Former-moderator of the sub, Facebook top performer, "the Coding Machine", junior -> principal / 2009-2017, helper of bootcamps students and grads, founder of Formation for experienced engineers preparing for interviews. · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Quick correction: For newer agreements, our contract allows Formation to end the program after 15 months. That isn’t an automatic cutoff, and it’s not something we’re looking to use against people who are actively and honestly job searching. **Important:** If you’re on an older contract that does *not* include a time limit, that agreement remains valid and we fully intend to honor it. **How we handle the 15-month clause in practice:** If someone is **still actively engaged** (showing up, doing the work, applying/interviewing in good faith, communicating with the team), we can and often do **extend** support beyond 15 months when there are reasonable circumstances. **Why we added the 15-month term (3 reasons):** 1. **Clarity for accounting/finance.** An open-ended service period is unusual and creates ambiguity; having a defined term makes planning and accounting more standard. 2. *…

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AMA: 👋 I'm Michael. Former-moderator of the sub, Facebook top performer, "the Coding Machine", junior -> principal / 2009-2017, helper of bootcamps students and grads, founder of Formation for experienced engineers preparing for interviews. · r/codingbootcamp

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AMA: 👋 I'm Michael. Former-moderator of the sub, Facebook top performer, "the Coding Machine", junior -> principal / 2009-2017, helper of bootcamps students and grads, founder of Formation for experienced engineers preparing for interviews. Hi all, I've been one of the top five most active members in here for 4 years (!) ask me anything about anything and get official answers! I'll keep this open all evening and respond to lingering questions when I can. Just because you can ask me anything, it doesn't mean I'll have good answers.... the areas I'm particularly knowledgeable about: 1. Getting a job at a FAANG company 2. AI's impact on day to day engineering 3. Reddit bad actors / content manipulation / social engineering attacks 4. Coding bootcamp history and industry news and trends I give blunt and direct advice and opinions. I use my real name on Reddit. My comments are…

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u/michaelnovati replied · DELETED · archived copy · edited ★ FEATURED
1. The blog post was not based on fact, it was based on his opinions as a blogger. A reasonable person can see that he is a marketer/blogger and that was a blog post. It was not fact checked, the methodology is not specified, journalism ethics were not followed. **I have a direct email from Codesmith's CEO telling me that she doesn't consider my company a competitor.** But somehow that was left out of the "leaked emails" and only ones that make me look bad out of context were shared. I mentioned above but I can only discuss public info because of legal matters, so I can't comment more on this blog. 2. As I pointed out above, your sub has 6 moderators, 4 of which are banned accounts, and all of those accounts display patterns of inauthentic behaviors (such as phishing for karma in r/AskReddit and other large subs, etc..) and biased commentary.

NPR podcast about the failure/decline of "learn to code", caution and concern these efforts shifted now to "everyone needs AI fluency", fear-based learning that isn't passion-based (well researched and source-based opinions) · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
The NPR podcast references sources from a stanford study showing that SWE jobs are likely to be replaced sooner than later, and federal government stats on unemployment rates of CS grads. They state that they are 2X the unemployment rate of history majors, but I didn't read the source. They also discuss anecdotally with examples from 'talking to people for research' how top tier CS grads always had it easy and now they are just barely getting jobs, whereas 3rd tier CS grads always had it hard and now find it impossible. Like Codesmith has 6 month California data for 2024 students and the number of people placed who reported a salary and weren't self-employed or employed by schools can be estimated at 12%. Which is a massive cliff from 2023 which was a massive cliff from 2022. It's an example that demonstrates a complete and utter collapse of the bootcamp grad market, going from like…

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Where/what are you working at while you look for a dev role? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Well if you become a freelancer or self employed.or go back to your old job, you'll count as a placement for your bootcamp and they'll be happy Codesmith's 2024 California government data showed that of their placements about 2/3 were non responsive to report their salary and counted as a placement from LinkedIn, and a surge in "self employed" people this year too, and more "hired by school" than last year. So it's kind of sad but if you get any kind of job the bootcamp is happy and you are kind of left for yourself.

How did you actually practice for the real thing? · r/codingbootcamp

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Hey, I'm very familiar with this area, the transition (note, my company started because we saw gaps in people with non traditional backgrounds so that's how I know a lot about this, but we **do NOT accept bootcamp grads with no experience and I am not recommending at all to you).** I have a FAANG lens and that's my bias, 400+ interviews conducted at Meta, trained interviewers, helped create interviews, candidate review, recruiting trips, juniors, interns, seniors, directors, etc..... So first off, almost all bootcamps promise 'career support' and all these words on their websites, that basically we're not accurate. I got into many Reddit arguments 3 years ago with staff from a particular bootcamp that insisted it provided all the support you need for your lifetime (where the people conducting the mock interviews were mostly recent grads with minimal or no work experience). The fact is…

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DEVELOPING: Codesmith 2024 California Government Outcomes report is out today. Only 12% are placed within 6 months with reported salary (50% including 'no salary information available') but press release also out today says '85% to 90% placement rate within 12 months' 'CIRR verified' (no time frame) · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Please share any evidence that Lars has described himself as a *journalist* or that this piece has been presented by him as a *journalistic article*, rather than an opinion blog post. Based on what I’ve seen so far, the piece appears to be a personal blog post, and third-party references (including platforms like Muck Rack) describe him as a blogger rather than a journalist. That distinction matters, as opinion commentary by a non-journalist is treated differently from reporting published as journalism. If there are statements, bios, or representations where Lars explicitly characterizes himself as a journalist in connection with this post, I’d like to review them so we’re aligned on how the piece should be framed and evaluated. Absent that, my understanding is that this should be treated as an opinion blog post, not a reported news article. If you have information that suggests other…

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DEVELOPING: Codesmith 2024 California Government Outcomes report is out today. Only 12% are placed within 6 months with reported salary (50% including 'no salary information available') but press release also out today says '85% to 90% placement rate within 12 months' 'CIRR verified' (no time frame) · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
You’re free to express your opinions. That said, your comment history toward me consists largely of sarcastic remarks, name-calling, and repeated accusations of bad faith over an extended period of time. I don’t view that as substantive engagement. I understand that some people in the Codesmith community strongly disagree with my tone or conclusions. That’s fine. What matters to me is whether the underlying facts, sources, or interpretations are wrong. To date, no one has meaningfully challenged those. Recently, I haven’t seen rebuttals of the data, alternative analyses or arguments to discuss, or disputes over methodology, only personal commentary. I’m here specifically for fact-based discussion. If you believe something I’ve said is incorrect, misleading, or unsupported, I’m open to that conversation. Point out the specific issue and explain why it’s wrong, and I will review it and…

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DEVELOPING: Codesmith 2024 California Government Outcomes report is out today. Only 12% are placed within 6 months with reported salary (50% including 'no salary information available') but press release also out today says '85% to 90% placement rate within 12 months' 'CIRR verified' (no time frame) · r/codingbootcamp

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Facts and accountability are foundational. You can troll all you want, but facts are the facts and your assumptions about my intentions are not facts. The press release I quoted says that "Federal selection followed rigorous evaluation of Codesmith's independently verified outcomes: 85-90% of graduates placed within 12 months, two-thirds promoted within three years, and an average starting salary of $130,000. Unlike competitors, Codesmith relies entirely on word-of-mouth referrals rather than advertising, with all outcomes verified by the Council on Integrity in Results Reporting." Website: "Codesmith has proven this thesis true with 5000+ alumni. 90% of graduates get hired within 12 months, most land leadership roles within big tech & AI labs and many directly contribute to the world’s largest open source projects" **There is nothing at CIRR that says that 85 to 90% of the 5000 gradu…

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31 y/o Uber Driver in NYC Trying to Become a Software Engineer — Looking for Honest Guidance · r/learnprogramming

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I don't know if they are having it again this year but this is something to consider if you are making under $50K a year and live in the five buroughts: [https://www.codesmith.io/future-code](https://www.codesmith.io/future-code) But even in that program you have to 42.5 hours a week online (remote but it's very intense) and they suggest not having a full time job outside of that because of after hours work. I also have been monitoring the placements because their heavily measured on people getting jobs and based on LinkedIn a see a handful of placements from the first cohort a year ago. So it's worth looking into for sure but zooming out, even with all of that support it's insanely hard to make the transition right now. My personal advice would be to learn as much programming as you can and then try to get an adjacent tech job, like customer support at a tech company - leveraging you…

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DEVELOPING: Codesmith 2024 California Government Outcomes report is out today. Only 12% are placed within 6 months with reported salary (50% including 'no salary information available') but press release also out today says '85% to 90% placement rate within 12 months' 'CIRR verified' (no time frame) · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
People can say incorrect things with good intentions. Problems happen in two cases: 1. You have bad intentions (these are the words like 'fraud', 'defamation') 2. You are negligent in verifying your statements. This one is trickier because people with good intentions might say false statements and not realize it. If you do that a few times and you promptly correct and you act in good faith... that's called being human. If you make the same mistakes or typos over and over and over despite being corrected in the past, or you repeat statements that a reasonable person doing reasonable research would not consider hard facts but you call them facts, then you start entering the gray area. \#2 is most of Reddit. People who think they are right and they probably aren't. Bootcamps that make math mistakes and they didn't mean to. The problems happen if you make math mistakes every time you…

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DEVELOPING: Codesmith 2024 California Government Outcomes report is out today. Only 12% are placed within 6 months with reported salary (50% including 'no salary information available') but press release also out today says '85% to 90% placement rate within 12 months' 'CIRR verified' (no time frame) · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I mean there are anecdotal spreadsheets, and you can pull up GitHub and LinkedIns and get more insights. The key thing I'm watching right now is the number of 'did not respond' entries. That used to be almost zero, which means that the data was based on most people's reported outcomes that got audited. Things went downhill last year in 2023 and got worse in 2024 where that number skyrocketed. The first sign I called out was the H2 2022 numbers that were obfuscated into the full 2022 report with reverse engineering. This number means that we have placements counted based on their LinkedIns. All those 'self employed' people could people people putting placeholders on their LinkedIns for all we know because there is no methodology on how LinkedIn verifications work. I criticized CIRR about this and they updated the spec without changing this and instead just adding to the reasons allowe…

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DEVELOPING: Codesmith 2024 California Government Outcomes report is out today. Only 12% are placed within 6 months with reported salary (50% including 'no salary information available') but press release also out today says '85% to 90% placement rate within 12 months' 'CIRR verified' (no time frame) · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
There is no evidence anyone is lying because lying requires proof of intent and it's extremely hard to prove intent. I have been accursed of all kinds of "intentions" on Reddit and I'm just one person, acting as an individual, and I can yell loudly what's in my head, but it's hard to prove that, and it's hard for someone else to prove my intentions when I'm just commenting from my brain directly too. But yeah just be careful to conclude intentions or guess them and give people room to explain. If you disagree, disagree as a matter of opinion and not fact. Unless you have conclusive evidence of intention to deceive.

DEVELOPING: Codesmith 2024 California Government Outcomes report is out today. Only 12% are placed within 6 months with reported salary (50% including 'no salary information available') but press release also out today says '85% to 90% placement rate within 12 months' 'CIRR verified' (no time frame) · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
In my opinion, these numbers wouldn't encourage me personally to go to a bootcamp, but it's also a fact that some people get SWE jobs via bootcamps as well. The conditions are important. I agree on more transparency about what jobs, where and what backgrounds people is critical for any individual who is trying to figure out if they are one of the few it will work for. However I have to be careful because Codesmith published an official press release on the wire that claims they have a "85% to 90%" placement rate of the "5000" graduates, "$130,000" "average" salaries, "all outcomes verified by by CIRR". So that has to be assumed as fact because stating incorrect information on a press release is a whole other can of worms to deal with. So you can't make assumptions really.

DEVELOPING: Codesmith 2024 California Government Outcomes report is out today. Only 12% are placed within 6 months with reported salary (50% including 'no salary information available') but press release also out today says '85% to 90% placement rate within 12 months' 'CIRR verified' (no time frame) · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I would guess that most of them are SWE jobs or SWE adjacent jobs (like Sales Engineer). Generally the people placed from Codesmith are solid placements. But if the vast majority of people aren't reachable to confirm the placement, it's hard to judge from LinkedIn alone. My opinion is that I think the 12% are solid mostly SWE or SWE adjacent placements yeah, and you can see a good number of those in the $100K+ bucket in the report.

DEVELOPING: Codesmith 2024 California Government Outcomes report is out today. Only 12% are placed within 6 months with reported salary (50% including 'no salary information available') but press release also out today says '85% to 90% placement rate within 12 months' 'CIRR verified' (no time frame) · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
The report that's coming out in April-ish is the 2024 report for CIRR, which includes nationwide students, not just California (which was about 200 students) and CIRR also has 12 month placement numbers. The 'did not respond' rate for CIRR last year was similar to the 2023 CA report (about 40% did not) but this year's CA report had an increase in non responders. So that's the number to watch. This is a rough example, but if you have 100% students start, 90% graduate, 63% had jobs in a year, and 34% (of starters) approximately reported a salary. So the 'median' salary of $110,000 includes about a third of the students, which is fine, but it's not a median salary of 'students' or of all 'graduates'. Since the data is pretty clear on this, if people feel like this representation of 'the typical grad makes $110,000' is reasonable then I think it's important to call out the qualification…

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DEVELOPING: Codesmith 2024 California Government Outcomes report is out today. Only 12% are placed within 6 months with reported salary (50% including 'no salary information available') but press release also out today says '85% to 90% placement rate within 12 months' 'CIRR verified' (no time frame) · r/codingbootcamp

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I'm proactively commenting this because a number of Codesmith-adjacent accounts (staff, alumni, etc...) have been going after me this past week with no substance and referring to this article about me: [https://larslofgren.com/codesmith-reddit-reputation-attack/](https://larslofgren.com/codesmith-reddit-reputation-attack/) I vehemently disagree with the conclusions the blog post comes up with and the examples used not being representative of the real discussion happening, or of both sides. I think that any discussion that's not about the facts is a distraction from critical conversaion. Now more than ever we need to be able to argue, debate and discuss facts without insulting me, name calling, threatening, harassing with nick names, and assuming my intentions. **Discuss the facts, not the speculation about my intentions and motivations.**

DEVELOPING: Codesmith 2024 California Government Outcomes report is out today. Only 12% are placed within 6 months with reported salary (50% including 'no salary information available') but press release also out today says '85% to 90% placement rate within 12 months' 'CIRR verified' (no time frame) · r/codingbootcamp

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DEVELOPING: Codesmith 2024 California Government Outcomes report is out today. Only 12% are placed within 6 months with reported salary (50% including 'no salary information available') but press release also out today says '85% to 90% placement rate within 12 months' 'CIRR verified' (no time frame) SOURCE: [https://bppe.ca.gov/webapplications/annualReports/2024/document/98d87f0e-23c1-4af7-aabf-7c91d4ea7312](https://bppe.ca.gov/webapplications/annualReports/2024/document/98d87f0e-23c1-4af7-aabf-7c91d4ea7312) I can't legally comment much on this so instead I ran it through a neutral AI with the following prompt: "Summarize this document and compare it to information about Codesmith you can research and flag any good things and flag any concerning things. Summarize in 5 bullet points." * **Completion is very high, but placement is not.** Codesmith’s Software Engineering Immersive show…

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BREAKING: Gauntlet AI (BloomTech, f/k/a Lambda School) launched Government Training Program, free program to prepare you for government AI/SWE roles. · r/codingbootcamp

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BREAKING: Gauntlet AI (BloomTech, f/k/a Lambda School) launched Government Training Program, free program to prepare you for government AI/SWE roles. SOURCE: [https://gfa.gauntletai.com/](https://gfa.gauntletai.com/) I'm sure this will get a lot of popcorn because BloomTech had some past issues but Gauntlet seems to be a lot clearer on what it does, how it does it, etc... it takes top 2% IQ people, trains them for 80 hours a week for 12 weeks, and gives them $200K job and there aren't really any catches (at this time) and it's free because companies pay hiring fees. It works because they transparently filter for top 2% IQs, makes sure they have the hustle needed through 80 hour weeks, and there is a huge demand for productive engineers. They are launching a program to prepare you for government and they have a very transparent explanation for what it is. Four steps, very clear. Gau…

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DEVELOPING: FedStack and Lantec won up to $118M government contract for non-IT training for the Federal Government/IRS - Codesmith will be involved (conflicting reports) · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I’m consistent in who I am and how I show up, both publicly and privately. Over the years, I’ve received snarky remarks and unprofessional attacks from accounts that identify themselves as part of the Codesmith community, and that kind of dynamic likely contributes to the broader decline we’re seeing. I’ve said this before, but it’s important context: I’m one account, using my real name. In contrast, many other accounts have appeared, engaged briefly and aggressively, and then disappeared—some of which no longer seem to be active. If more of these conversations were happening between identifiable people using real names, I think the tone and outcomes would be very different. Transparency matters, especially right now. It’s normal for people to look at the same information and come to different conclusions. What’s not healthy is when discussions feel lopsided or impersonal, with one per…

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DEVELOPING: FedStack and Lantec won up to $118M government contract for non-IT training for the Federal Government/IRS - Codesmith will be involved (conflicting reports) · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
That blog post presents a one-sided framing and selectively quotes material to support a conclusion I do not agree with. Claims such as: “Codesmith has proven this thesis true with 5,000+ alumni. 90% of graduates get hired within 12 months, most land leadership roles within big tech & AI labs, and many directly contribute to the world’s largest open source projects” are extraordinary marketing statements. Evaluating them using publicly available sources like LinkedIn and GitHub is both lawful and commonplace when assessing public claims about outcomes. Reviewing publicly available professional profiles and repositories is not stalking or harassment. It is standard practice in hiring, investing, journalism, and market analysis, and it is often the only way to contextualize broad promotional claims. I also reviewed summaries of my own comment history using automated tools and reached co…

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DEVELOPING: FedStack and Lantec won up to $118M government contract for non-IT training for the Federal Government/IRS - Codesmith will be involved (conflicting reports) · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
We'll see when their next CIRR report comes out. I periodically look at OSLabs-Beta and OpenSourceLabs GitHub projects and check if the students have jobs and the number of people with jobs about six months after graduation seems lower than it historically has been. The next CIRR report though is people who graduated in 2024, not 2025, so the information will already be outdated. It would be really useful to get six month numbers for H1 2025. The Codesmith Federal website says 90% of the 5000+ graduates get jobs within a year. Their own CIRR reports dispute that so I'm not sure if that's a preview of the 2024 outcomes or if it's just a mistake. There also appears to be a new Codesmith FULL TIME program from August 7th, 2026 to November 9th, 2027, which is a whole 15 MONTHS!!! I'm very curious about that option. Launch School though is crushing Codesmith on six month placement data…

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DEVELOPING: FedStack and Lantec won up to $118M government contract for non-IT training for the Federal Government/IRS - Codesmith will be involved (conflicting reports) · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
If an organization chooses to market itself publicly, highlighting metrics like GitHub stars or describing student projects as 'contributions to the largest open-source projects in the world', that choice necessarily invites public evaluation of those claims. Public scrutiny of public representations is not harassment, stalking, or doxxing when it relies on publicly available information and is conducted lawfully. Claims either withstand scrutiny or they don’t. If they do, the evidence speaks for itself. If they don’t, criticism is a foreseeable and legitimate response. Likewise, when security or operational issues become publicly observable or are responsibly disclosed, accountability and remediation, not reframing criticism as misconduct, are the appropriate response. In the United States, open and lawful critique of public information is a core safeguard for consumers and markets,…

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DEVELOPING: FedStack and Lantec won up to $118M government contract for non-IT training for the Federal Government/IRS - Codesmith will be involved (conflicting reports) · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
With respect to the staff member referenced, I did not seek out any private or non-public information. While reviewing a Codesmith project for unrelated reasons, I observed the name of an adult child listed in the project materials, alongside a LinkedIn profile that was prominently linked. In reviewing that publicly available LinkedIn and GitHub information, I noticed two discrepancies: 1. the individual’s listed professional experience appeared overstated relative to the timeline shown, and 2. the GitHub commit history associated with the account appeared to predate the creation date of the GitHub account itself. Because the staff member in question serves as a career advisor, and because I was already in an ongoing email thread with Codesmith leadership on related matters, I raised these observations in that existing thread for review. I did not contact the individual directly, d…

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DEVELOPING: FedStack and Lantec won up to $118M government contract for non-IT training for the Federal Government/IRS - Codesmith will be involved (conflicting reports) · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · · edited ★ FEATURED
1. The piece being cited is not an article or investigative report. It is explicitly labeled as a blog post authored by a marketer. A third-party blog post is not primary evidence. I am not aware of any direct evidence in that post showing that I doxxed anyone. If such evidence exists, it should be identified specifically and evaluated on its merits rather than asserted by reference. 2. To my knowledge, my commentary consisted of clearly labeled estimates and opinions regarding Codesmith’s unit economics, expressed in the same analytical manner I have applied to multiple programs across the industry. 3. With respect to allegations of harassment or improper conduct, I again ask for evidence. My understanding is that I was removed from Codesmith sessions and Slack after stating, under my real name during a Zoom call, that a student described as “placed” was no longer employed at the comp…

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DEVELOPING: FedStack and Lantec won up to $118M government contract for non-IT training for the Federal Government/IRS - Codesmith will be involved (conflicting reports) · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · · edited ★ FEATURED
I tend to take statements at face value. I don’t read into hints or implied messages. If someone tells me something directly, I respond directly. If, in 2023, Will Sentance had reached out to say, “Your comments are upsetting staff, can we talk about your concerns?” I believe this situation could have unfolded very differently. Instead, the first direct message I received from Will Sentance was in 2025. It demanded an apology based on allegations that I had “abused” his family, an accusation I categorically reject, and it was signed with promotional metrics: “Will Sentance (CEO, Codesmith — 1M+ taught, 4,000+ full-time graduates).”