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NPR podcast about the failure/decline of "learn to code", caution and concern these efforts shifted now to "everyone needs AI fluency", fear-based learning that isn't passion-based (well researched and source-based opinions)

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u/throwaway09234023322 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

Do you know what % of CS grads are actually getting CS related jobs within like 6 months or a year or anything like that? I feel like the market is pretty bad, but if you are in like the top 50%, you will probably still be ok?

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
The NPR podcast references sources from a stanford study showing that SWE jobs are likely to be replaced sooner than later, and federal government stats on unemployment rates of CS grads. They state that they are 2X the unemployment rate of history majors, but I didn't read the source. They also discuss anecdotally with examples from 'talking to people for research' how top tier CS grads always had it easy and now they are just barely getting jobs, whereas 3rd tier CS grads always had it hard and now find it impossible. Like Codesmith has 6 month California data for 2024 students and the number of people placed who reported a salary and weren't self-employed or employed by schools can be estimated at 12%. Which is a massive cliff from 2023 which was a massive cliff from 2022. It's an example that demonstrates a complete and utter collapse of the bootcamp grad market, going from like 80% of people placed with reported salaries in six months making $125K to 12% reporting salaries median around $110K (and that's just people who reported the salaries!). Synthesizing all of that, the only safe bet right now is to go to a top 10 CS school and otherwise don't try to become a canonical SWE. If you like programming, learn it to do better at your current field and do a transition WITHIN it.