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Is Lighthouse Labs shutting down? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 21, 2025

I can't comment on that because I don't know. But it's a large reputable company that's been around for a while and not a random popup company.

Is Lighthouse Labs shutting down? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 21, 2025

Lighthouse Labs was acquired by [https://uvaro.com/](https://uvaro.com/) earlier this year so I doubt it's shutting down entirely because they have some stable backer. One reason is enrollment was so low it wasn't viable to offer the cohort. Even non-profit bootcamps have to break even and can't lose money, and if so few people are enrolled in a cohort, they can easily lose money. Another reason could be that an instructor dropped and they can't practically offer it and don't know when they will get an instructor. That said the flags to me are: 1. They didn't give a transparent reason why 2. They didn't give any date or approximate date when to join. So I wouldn't assume they are shutting down but I would be cautiously watching, and I would probably ask them more questions about what's going on.

Codesmith is down and they can't access their AWS because of incompetence. I've had enough of their claims to go from "zero to mid/level senior engineers" when they repeatedly demonstrate lack of engineering competence (this isn't the first incident) · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 19, 2025 DELETED · archived copy ★ FEATURED

Let's start with looking at an AMA I did 3 months ago: [https://www.reddit.com/r/codingbootcamp/comments/1jz5i0h/ama\_im\_michael\_exmeta\_principal\_engineer\_1\_code/](https://www.reddit.com/r/codingbootcamp/comments/1jz5i0h/ama_im_michael_exmeta_principal_engineer_1_code/) Normal comments, normal replies. Now let's look at a Codesmith AMA from 3 months ago: [https://www.reddit.com/r/codesmith/comments/1ilpihd/im\_ayleen\_a\_software\_engineer\_and\_current/](https://www.reddit.com/r/codesmith/comments/1ilpihd/im_ayleen_a_software_engineer_and_current/) Notice how **EVERY SINGLE COMMENT IS DELETED OR COLLAPSED BY REDDIT** except for the OP's comments and ONE question. Most of their other AMAs - similar thing. I'm not saying it's a fact that Codesmith is responsible, but like something they are doing on Reddit is very sketchy. I have reems of similar documentation of this kind of…

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Codesmith is down and they can't access their AWS because of incompetence. I've had enough of their claims to go from "zero to mid/level senior engineers" when they repeatedly demonstrate lack of engineering competence (this isn't the first incident) · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 19, 2025

Personal insults are what bullies resort to when they don't have anything useful to say. Your posts are majorly being flagged but this one seems fine, but watch the attacks.

I called out Michael Novati for Formation's own misleading marketing tactics and he deleted all of his comments instead of addressing the issue. · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 19, 2025 ★ FEATURED

You have a brand new account and you have suspicious voting patterns on your comments. Even this post has a really odd view count given that it was completely blocked. so either you're refreshing the page like crazy or you've shared this with a bunch of people offline because the view stats are very odd and we get detailed view stats for posts. Everyone's treated the same and you have no f****** idea the s*** that comes through this every single day that's also banned and nothing to do with this. Reddit has these filters for a reason and as I said, I'm perfectly happy to continue this conversation in DM.

Codesmith is down and they can't access their AWS because of incompetence. I've had enough of their claims to go from "zero to mid/level senior engineers" when they repeatedly demonstrate lack of engineering competence (this isn't the first incident) · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 19, 2025

Your account was flagged as suspicious you can DM me if you want to keep talking and I'm happy to talk

I called out Michael Novati for Formation's own misleading marketing tactics and he deleted all of his comments instead of addressing the issue. · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 19, 2025

1. Reddit flagged your account - see the moderation guide pinned. 2. Reddit auto flagged this post 3. The view count is crazy high for a post that was auto flagged

Codesmith is down and they can't access their AWS because of incompetence. I've had enough of their claims to go from "zero to mid/level senior engineers" when they repeatedly demonstrate lack of engineering competence (this isn't the first incident) · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 19, 2025

Reddit flagged your account

Codesmith is down and they can't access their AWS because of incompetence. I've had enough of their claims to go from "zero to mid/level senior engineers" when they repeatedly demonstrate lack of engineering competence (this isn't the first incident) · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 18, 2025 DELETED · archived copy · edited ★ FEATURED

I dunno, you seem to now want to be collaborative and that's on you. You never mentioned anything about stating that we do this to make money and I hope that's your opinion and you aren't starting that as a fact because it's provably untrue on our side and I can't see how you have facts to prove that yourself. So if you had this opinion the whole time, you are debating disingenuously. I started the conversation with 'I'll talk to you if you accept the facts' because the facts are important. The average person we work with has 5 years of industry work experience as a SWE. Why would they put a mentorship community Fellowship on their LinkedIn as a job or resume when they currently work at Google or Amazon? It makes no sense whatsoever and why would they not do Formation if the name changed? Like the facts are abundantly clear that very few percentage of people put Formation publicly…

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Codesmith is down and they can't access their AWS because of incompetence. I've had enough of their claims to go from "zero to mid/level senior engineers" when they repeatedly demonstrate lack of engineering competence (this isn't the first incident) · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 18, 2025 DELETED · archived copy · edited ★ FEATURED

I'll share your feedback with our team to consider it, that's what I mean about gaslighting, like I'm not saying you are crazy and I see where you are coming from and I'm arguing that I don't agree and I don't think it's a problem and why I think that. Like it's a good debate and if a lot of people feel that way we might change it so your feedback is important to share and note so we can pay attention to it. We improve through feedback and accept it.

Codesmith is down and they can't access their AWS because of incompetence. I've had enough of their claims to go from "zero to mid/level senior engineers" when they repeatedly demonstrate lack of engineering competence (this isn't the first incident) · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 18, 2025 DELETED · archived copy · edited ★ FEATURED

Here is what AI says to the question: "Is Formation Fellowship a paid job" "No — Formation is not a paid job, nor does it offer employment. It’s a paid fellowship/training program (focused on interview prep and career coaching), not a salaried position." Here is what it thinks about Codesmith: "are oslabs engineers paid?" "Yes - OSLabs does pay engineers in at least one of its key programs" Like I don't think you'll find anything anywhere that would make a reasonable person think Formation Fellows are paid roles - but acknowledge that edge case people might be confused because of the multiple definitions. But in Codesmith's case like everything is blatantly twisted to appear that way. This discrepancy is one of the 3 primary reasons I've been going after Codesmith. Dictionary definitions aside, what the leaders of these companies do and stand for and their integrity matte…

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Codesmith is down and they can't access their AWS because of incompetence. I've had enough of their claims to go from "zero to mid/level senior engineers" when they repeatedly demonstrate lack of engineering competence (this isn't the first incident) · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 18, 2025 DELETED · archived copy ★ FEATURED

The official on the record answer - we used the word Fellow because our industry doesn't have many competitors: Interview Kickstart and Pathrise. Pathris used the word Fellows so we copied them and used the word Fellow. So that our customers could compare the two familiarly. I'm not trying to gaslight you but I Googled Fellow and this is the dictionary definition it presented and not any of them say anything about being paid. The definition for "Fellowship" has two meanings, none of them saying anything about being paid either (I can only attached one screenshot, but pasted:) 1. friendly association, especially with people who share one's interests."they valued fun and good fellowship as the cement of the community" 2. the status of a fellow of a college or society."she held the Faulkner fellowship" Formation is not affiliated with education/schools/universities and no where in our…

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Codesmith is down and they can't access their AWS because of incompetence. I've had enough of their claims to go from "zero to mid/level senior engineers" when they repeatedly demonstrate lack of engineering competence (this isn't the first incident) · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 18, 2025 DELETED · archived copy · edited ★ FEATURED

I'll give you the straight up facts on this if you are willing to accept them. I can prove every one of these statements. Formation has flaws and this isn't one of them. FORMATION: 1. A small fraction of Fellows at Formation put it on their LinkedIn. 2. No one says it's paid anywhere. Of the ones that do it's abundantly clear that it's a mentorship program for high performance and not a job. 3. We have not received a single request for a background check for anyone that I'm aware of in the past 5 years for anyone claiming they were employed by Formation. 3. The people who say 2-3+ years have genuinely been at Formation that time and actively participating. Maybe it's terrible they didn't get a job yet, but the timeframe is correct from what I'm aware of. CODESMITH: 1. In my [reporting end of 2023](https://www.reddit.com/r/codingbootcamp/comments/18cpq98/analysis_of_52_most_recen…

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Codesmith is down and they can't access their AWS because of incompetence. I've had enough of their claims to go from "zero to mid/level senior engineers" when they repeatedly demonstrate lack of engineering competence (this isn't the first incident) · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 18, 2025 · edited ★ FEATURED

I'm restarting my comment: Formation is not a bootcamp or generally competing with Codesmith. Codesmith has marketing adds explaining what a for-loop is and assuring you that even if it's too confusing Codesmith is for you. You can't join Formation without industry work experience as a SWE. The closest overlap is the AI program because we're offering AI productivity courses soon and they offer AI leadership courses. But there is very little overlap. We are harmed if Codesmith declines because because 75%+ of Codesmith grads that join Formation like Formation a lot and it's a wonderfully complementary service. There's a difference between continuous demonstration of incompetent engineering practices, tons of security issues and such. I meant that this was the last straw about engineering practices because I had been privately telling them all kinds of problems for a while now and th…

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Codesmith is down and they can't access their AWS because of incompetence. I've had enough of their claims to go from "zero to mid/level senior engineers" when they repeatedly demonstrate lack of engineering competence (this isn't the first incident) · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 18, 2025 ★ FEATURED

It's long but the TLDR is this person posted things in the mod escalation channels and was almost instantly suspended from Reddit because the person was using a network of fake accounts that Reddit has recently cleared out. It's very much possible this person was retaliating because after going after me Reddit discovered the network of accounts and removed most of them. So I genuinely saying that Codesmith claims they had nothing to do with this. But they hired someone who specializes in "reputation management" (which again, they confirmed) and are partially responsible for what that person does.

Codesmith is down and they can't access their AWS because of incompetence. I've had enough of their claims to go from "zero to mid/level senior engineers" when they repeatedly demonstrate lack of engineering competence (this isn't the first incident) · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 18, 2025 ★ FEATURED

It's a good question because I'm not normally like this and it hurts my personal reputation. I'm so so so so professionally upset at Codesmith's lack of integrity on the matters. Gaslighting me and the public when I criticize their competency. I'm personally upset because a person that they paid to post on Reddit (which they confirmed), coincidentally (which they deny being involved with) posted negative things about me and tried to get me banned. I'm not a happy camper here.

Codesmith is down and they can't access their AWS because of incompetence. I've had enough of their claims to go from "zero to mid/level senior engineers" when they repeatedly demonstrate lack of engineering competence (this isn't the first incident) · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 18, 2025 DELETED · archived copy ★ FEATURED

Google wasn't down because the team has incompetent engineering practices. CIRR also has incompetent processes and deserves equal criticism. In my opinion Codesmith is full of liars and exaggerators. For god's sake the founding advisor's own sign had a LinkedIn and resume full of lies and exaggerations. I meant that this was the last straw about engineering practices because I had been privately telling them all kinds of problems for a while now and they keep telling me how great their engineers are.

Codesmith is down and they can't access their AWS because of incompetence. I've had enough of their claims to go from "zero to mid/level senior engineers" when they repeatedly demonstrate lack of engineering competence (this isn't the first incident) · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 18, 2025 ★ FEATURED

If you are going down, just blame everyone else on your way down! Their Founder needs a close friend or family member to give him a wake up call that these problems are HIS PROBLEMS for NOT KNOWING WHAT HE'S DOING, and it's not imposter syndrome, or gatekeeping or AWS's fault, etc... He needs to authentically own up to this stuff, or his company literally will implode, like it seems like it literally is.

Codesmith is down and they can't access their AWS because of incompetence. I've had enough of their claims to go from "zero to mid/level senior engineers" when they repeatedly demonstrate lack of engineering competence (this isn't the first incident) · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati posted · Jul 18, 2025 · edited ★ FEATURED

Codesmith is down and they can't access their AWS because of incompetence. I've had enough of their claims to go from "zero to mid/level senior engineers" when they repeatedly demonstrate lack of engineering competence (this isn't the first incident) No excuses for this and it's the last straw for me. I've privately reported a number of engineering issues to their team, and they have continued to try to gaslight me that their team is "extremely talented" and other claims. I apologize that my tone and wording comes across direct but people need to wake up to this. I've had enough of bootcamps marketing themselves in ways that in my opinion mislead people to reality and I hope these situations show you what's going on if you don't see through the marketing words. https://preview.redd.it/l07ritvw3pdf1.png?width=1246&format=png&auto=webp&s=f944dff9e23eaca40bec9bb3b9ea50a8e630510b http…

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Codesmith Grads - Stop lying on your background checks. Your OSP is not 'employment history'. I've received a number of couple of people having trouble with background checks because they put their project as 'work experience'. STOP. · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 18, 2025 ★ FEATURED

I have someone recently who told me that he submitted bogus dates to Codesmith on his OSP and Codesmith signed a letter the next day and handed it to him without checking anything. He believes they are committing fraud that just signs off on whatever people tell them. Now, this person himself lied. But he didn't use the letter for anything and was testing the system instead so he wouldn't get in trouble telling his story. I plan on pressing on this more in the future but don't have time now. If you are a Codesmith grad and want to confidentially send me letters Codesmith signed for bogus OSP dates, my DMs are open and I will not share your name or identifiable info. If there is systemic fraud and Codesmith didn't verify information intentionally to have an excuse to blame the students for lying to them, then they are in huge trouble. I don't care about getting them in trouble but I…

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Is Tripple Ten or any coding boot camps still worth it at 25? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 18, 2025

We need to hear from people who finish TripleTen in a reasonable amount of time and are done, I literally have not bumped into a single person in this sub who told me they finished the SWE track at TripleTen and got a job after. Many examples on their website, including the main person on the homepage, did Triple Ten a long time ago when it was called Practicum. I'm definitely sure some people do it and get jobs because their reports say so, but I want to hear more from them after being inundated with people "one or two sprints in" that post here with referral codes. I similarly have not bumped into a single person who got their money back for the job guarantee, and bumped into some that thought they would get it but didn't. Like something is not adding up between what I'm seeing and the marketing, Self paced remote programs like Springboard have like a 10% on time completion rate i…

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Is Tripple Ten or any coding boot camps still worth it at 25? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 17, 2025

If you don't have any professional experience and you don't have a natural affinity to programming and you don't consider yourself a little smarter than average then maybe trades. In San Francisco, you can pass a test for Backflow Water Annual Testing and then you can go out and charge $250 to test peoples backflow water systems for 15 minutes. Police officers in San Francisco make about $250K on average. People don't talk about these jobs because if more people did them they wouldn't pay so much so they aren't plastered all over Reddit. If I didn't have a degree I would be looking for these loopholes that no one is talking about.

Is Tripple Ten or any coding boot camps still worth it at 25? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 17, 2025

I'm poking around the job guarantee and haven't found someone yet that was actually refunded and a number of people who thought they would be refunded and weren't. So I would ask a lot of questions. Zooming out, bootcamps are not a good idea right now for most people. If you are a genius and you have lots of professional experience and want to pivot to SWE and have been programming for a year already then you want to consider it and it's still unlikely to be a good idea. If thst's not you, find another job to go for.

Who should and shouldn't go to software engineering bootcamps (in 2025). No matter how good a bootcamp seems - or how much you want to do it, these things are DEAL BREAKERS you have to consider before even thinking about doing one. · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 16, 2025

Pivoting from anything that's not technical is not easy right now no. But you might be able to pivot into solutions engineer or sales engineer which are good jobs at big tech. And then maybe over a longer period of time become a SWE. And I do think it's possible to pivot to those roles.

Who should and shouldn't go to software engineering bootcamps (in 2025). No matter how good a bootcamp seems - or how much you want to do it, these things are DEAL BREAKERS you have to consider before even thinking about doing one. · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 16, 2025 ★ FEATURED

Well if you have the facts to back up your claims then you should have infinite courage because the truth should always win at the end of the day. Codesmith isn't accepting the facts and is trying to gaslight me about them and I'm not having it. The people there have no integrity in my opinion and am not backing down until they acknowledge the truth, make changes, and apologize.

Who should and shouldn't go to software engineering bootcamps (in 2025). No matter how good a bootcamp seems - or how much you want to do it, these things are DEAL BREAKERS you have to consider before even thinking about doing one. · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 16, 2025

I'm not trying to encourage or discourage, each person is case by case. I do think in 2025 more people than not will not meet the criteria to go to a bootcamp, but that some people will and they should go to a bootcamp.

Asking for Bootcamp Advice in 2025 · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 15, 2025 ★ FEATURED

If you frame a 3 week long bootcamp project as a year of experience and then ask your bootcamp for a letter of reference and they give it to you without fact checking it can help. It's why you see recruiting banning Codesmith, but even the people that ban it admit that people fall through the cracks every now and then. Codesmith doesn't know anything about this though and denies this happens... so they won't tell you this is how it works.

Asking for Bootcamp Advice in 2025 · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 15, 2025 DELETED · archived copy ★ FEATURED

I suspect you'll get messages from Codesmith people telling you I'm crazy, all you have to do is ask how many people were placed in 2025. They were very upfront about that number in 2024 and they currently list 102 offers between August 2024 and January 2025. Ask them how many offers that have reported in 2025 and if they won't give you a number, don't give them your dollars. Just look at their own data carefully, look at the "percentage of people not reporting salaries" spiking on their reports. Look at the dropping salaries. By all objective measures the data is falling off a cliff - and this data is trailing reality. They know very well what's going on internally and it's offensive to me that they gaslight the public to the contrary in my opinion by still quoting old data combined "recent placements at Amazon and Meta" (yes, like 4 people... and most had tangential experience). Don…

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Asking for Bootcamp Advice in 2025 · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 15, 2025 DELETED · archived copy

When did they go to Codesmith and when did they get jobs. Things changed a lot in the past year.

Asking for Bootcamp Advice in 2025 · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 15, 2025 · edited ★ FEATURED

You should look into extensive detail on your own as these are my opinions, but you also shouldn't just trust their market and their branding etc... The ask people to write Course Report reviews, etc.. (which most bootcamps do too) but you have to try to dig deeper for how the sausage is made. There are still a handful of people for whom Codesmith could work, and you might be one of them, but you have to go into it knowing all the baggage and problems and choose it for the right reasons. My overall argument is that the fact that they don't admit the baggage (I've heard 'that was just a misake' so much that it's not just a mistake) and are gaslighting people and spinning the narrative TO ME is a huge red flag and I would never tell anyone to go there anymore, but that's my opinion.

Asking for Bootcamp Advice in 2025 · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 15, 2025 · edited ★ FEATURED

I would do a masters over any bootcamp. Or consider Launch School. Codesmith and Merit America are entirely different options with no similarities so I would also spend more time trying to understand deeply how these things work if you don't cross them off entirely. So my personal opinion is to avoid Codesmith at all costs. You can read my history and I'm intimately familiar with their workings for years. I used to recommend people go there all the way up until they had about 50% layoffs and in Feb 2024 shrunk about 75% in their offerings. I was curious then and paused recommendations to see how they adjusted. Unfortunately they didn't adjust well and instead of just removing my recommendation I changed it to actively recommend not going in fall 2024 The short reason is that they are imploding in my opinion. They have a skeleton crew of full time staff left. All of their full time i…

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Recruiter asked me to lie about competing offer · r/cscareerquestions

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 14, 2025

I suspect this is Meta and I've been seeing them extremely firm with negotiation in the past 3 months. No [Levels.fyi](http://Levels.fyi), no 'competitive offers', no 'competitive onsites right now', etc... Literally recruiters telling people to go get another offer and come back if they want an increase. I'm happy to see a balanced discussion about lying, some people do it and some don't and it's your call. It's not a trick, but they will not increase without competitive offers or current compensation that is that high. Unless maybe the recruiter lies yeah, which is beyond your control and on them.

Almost joined a bootcamp 2025. Changed mind - ROI not worth it · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 13, 2025 · edited ★ FEATURED

Tell Codesmith leaders this. Every frickin day I see posts on my LinkedIn grasping at every possible straw, any possible value prop that will stick with people: (Paraphrasing actual daily posts): \- AI generated images for Rubber ducks/"array functions in javascript", etc... \- Do this free course you might even get a job without paying anything! \- People lie that you need a CS degree! Tech is for everyone! \- We are a program for people with 10 years of experience! If you have a CS degree we're for you! \- This is how you do a FOR...LOOP, if you want more come to Codesmith! \- Do our free courses like "your first webpage!" \- AI is scaring engineers, but if you are an experienced engineer who wants to learn AI with 10 years of experience, Codesmith is for you! \- Here's an alumni video clip from 3 years ago saying something random! \- Here's an alumni making $150K from IT sup…

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4 years ago I was going to join App Academy. How much of a bullet did I dodge? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 13, 2025 ★ FEATURED

I would qualify that to say that in 2021 you had a shot if you did a bootcamp for the right reasons. And now even if you go to one of the former-best bootcamps that hasn't closed yet and you go for the right reasons, you have maybe a 50/50 shot within a year (accounting for graduation, placement, etc...), and at Codesmith for example, salaries have been going DOWN EVERY YEAR by like $10K - indicating that people aren't exactly taking as good jobs even if they do get placed.

Almost joined a bootcamp 2025. Changed mind - ROI not worth it · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 13, 2025

Should do 2 years too that's the fastest it will happen and based on clapped of change, wouldn't surprise me

Almost joined a bootcamp 2025. Changed mind - ROI not worth it · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 13, 2025

Ah I see. Yeah not directly being replaced overnight but over time the hiring trends will reshape teams. Someone said (I can't remember who but it was a big tech leader) the ratio of PM to SWE right now is 1 to 4 and he thinks it's going to be 1 to 0.5. I don't agree or disagree with that but it's a point that AI might not be directly replacing engineers but a company might not hire many more and might hire other roles instead and over time it effectively means engineers were "replaced". So it's affecting the industry a lot, just not directly replacing.

Almost joined a bootcamp 2025. Changed mind - ROI not worth it · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 13, 2025

There are two kinds of AI. Short term it's enhancing productively of coders. Long term it will replace them entirely. Did you know that humans that did math before computers existed were called COMPUTERS. The word coder in 5 years is going to be the name for AI agents that right code and software engineers will exist but people won't be writing much code anymore.

Almost joined a bootcamp 2025. Changed mind - ROI not worth it · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 13, 2025

Uhhh explain more. This is not what I'm seeing, or maybe "affect" is subjective.

Almost joined a bootcamp 2025. Changed mind - ROI not worth it · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 13, 2025 · edited

That was me and not the other person. And I didn't call your opinion dangerous. I repeatedly emphasized that I'm speaking to the average and not the individual. You are flipping the point around. I'm concerned about the people READING your post not your post. Those people who don't know any better and sign up for a bootcamp for the wrong reasons. I want those people to see the full picture. So in aggregate, those posts can be dangerous but it has nothing to do with YOU. Code doesn't have feelings and you have to get every last detail objectively correct or it won't work. If it doesn't work because you want it to or try harder. If you have unique amounts of hustle then you want to apply that to efficiently becoming an engineer and not wasting it spinning in circles until it happens and bootcamps will take advantage of the hustle. I seek to look at things as they are.

Data Analyst Bootcamp/Course - Best one to get your job to pay for? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 13, 2025

Your time is valuable and the mistake you are making is not valuing it all. Bootcamps are trying to help you hustle your way to a job and not teaching you anything. Most have alumni teachers who barely know the materials. +1 to doing a masters degree or even just a one off course at like Stanford online if you don't have time to commit to a masters.

How to collab with other students? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · Jul 12, 2025

I think a great replacement would be if people self organize into groups and work on large scale open source projects chipping down : [https://goodfirstissue.dev/](https://goodfirstissue.dev/) Don't pay a bootcamp $20,000 to make really bad open source projects in a nice friendly group - if you can't find a group work on these yourself and meet others by sending PRs to those projects.

Careful out there. Bootcamps are lying. · r/codingbootcamp