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Almost joined a bootcamp 2025. Changed mind - ROI not worth it

r/codingbootcamp

u/JustSomeRandomRamen wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

Oh, don't get me started. The gig is up. Yep, coding bootcamps are done for. Yes, the market is over saturated AND yes, AI is replacing many white-collar entry level jobs - including (truly) junior devs. 1000s of applicants for 1 role at AnyCompanyHere is crazy enough. Yep, w

u/michaelnovati replied · · edited ★ FEATURED
Tell Codesmith leaders this. Every frickin day I see posts on my LinkedIn grasping at every possible straw, any possible value prop that will stick with people: (Paraphrasing actual daily posts): \- AI generated images for Rubber ducks/"array functions in javascript", etc... \- Do this free course you might even get a job without paying anything! \- People lie that you need a CS degree! Tech is for everyone! \- We are a program for people with 10 years of experience! If you have a CS degree we're for you! \- This is how you do a FOR...LOOP, if you want more come to Codesmith! \- Do our free courses like "your first webpage!" \- AI is scaring engineers, but if you are an experienced engineer who wants to learn AI with 10 years of experience, Codesmith is for you! \- Here's an alumni video clip from 3 years ago saying something random! \- Here's an alumni making $150K from IT support to engineering! \- Coding is hard, you need a community! \- It's tough out there but you could be next, the best time to start is yesterday! I've been learning a lot about cults recently and it's insane how much - in my opinion - the strategies Codesmith uses to recruit people are almost EXACTLY like what cults and MLMs and such do in my opinion learning about this stuff. \- Lots of free events full of nice people to hook people in \- Being brought into the 'family' via your friend \- Preying on people's lack of self confidence ("overcoming imposter syndrome" is mentioned constantly in the marketing and the program) \- Normalizing private behaviors (the "Power Clap", the "OSP is so intense it's the same as 4 months of experience") \- Internally people are the nicest people to each other but externally they defend the community viciously against 'attackers'. Cults are religious, so this isn't a religious cult, but in my opinion, a lot of the characteristics overlap with the things other people call cults. These things also apply to a lot of things. People call a lot of FAANG company's cultures 'cult-like' too. So this isn't a negative/mean/scary thing, it's just about acknowledging how it works. I don't think Codesmith leaders even realize this. All these amazing things and the way Codesmith leaders talk about Codesmith are also the positive things about things people call cults.