Almost joined a bootcamp 2025. Changed mind - ROI not worth it

That was me and not the other person. And I didn't call your opinion dangerous. I repeatedly emphasized that I'm speaking to the average and not the individual. You are flipping the point around. I'm concerned about the people READING your post not your post. Those people who don't know any better and sign up for a bootcamp for the wrong reasons. I want those people to see the full picture. So in aggregate, those posts can be dangerous but it has nothing to do with YOU. Code doesn't have feelings and you have to get every last detail objectively correct or it won't work. If it doesn't work because you want it to or try harder. If you have unique amounts of hustle then you want to apply that to efficiently becoming an engineer and not wasting it spinning in circles until it happens and bootcamps will take advantage of the hustle. I seek to look at things as they are.

Uhhh explain more. This is not what I'm seeing, or maybe "affect" is subjective.

There are two kinds of AI. Short term it's enhancing productively of coders. Long term it will replace them entirely. Did you know that humans that did math before computers existed were called COMPUTERS. The word coder in 5 years is going to be the name for AI agents that right code and software engineers will exist but people won't be writing much code anymore.

Ah I see. Yeah not directly being replaced overnight but over time the hiring trends will reshape teams. Someone said (I can't remember who but it was a big tech leader) the ratio of PM to SWE right now is 1 to 4 and he thinks it's going to be 1 to 0.5. I don't agree or disagree with that but it's a point that AI might not be directly replacing engineers but a company might not hire many more and might hire other roles instead and over time it effectively means engineers were "replaced". So it's affecting the industry a lot, just not directly replacing.

Should do 2 years too that's the fastest it will happen and based on clapped of change, wouldn't surprise me

Tell Codesmith leaders this. Every frickin day I see posts on my LinkedIn grasping at every possible straw, any possible value prop that will stick with people: (Paraphrasing actual daily posts): \- AI generated images for Rubber ducks/"array functions in javascript", etc... \- Do this free course you might even get a job without paying anything! \- People lie that you need a CS degree! Tech is for everyone! \- We are a program for people with 10 years of experience! If you have a CS degree we're for you! \- This is how you do a FOR...LOOP, if you want more come to Codesmith! \- Do our free courses like "your first webpage!" \- AI is scaring engineers, but if you are an experienced engineer who wants to learn AI with 10 years of experience, Codesmith is for you! \- Here's an alumni video clip from 3 years ago saying something random! \- Here's an alumni making $150K from IT support to engineering! \- Coding is hard, you need a community! \- It's tough out there but you could be next, the best time to start is yesterday! I've been learning a lot about cults recently and it's insane how much - in my opinion - the strategies Codesmith uses to recruit people are almost EXACTLY like what cults and MLMs and such do in my opinion learning about this stuff. \- Lots of free events full of nice people to hook people in \- Being brought into the 'family' via your friend \- Preying on people's lack of self confidence ("overcoming imposter syndrome" is mentioned constantly in the marketing and the program) \- Normalizing private behaviors (the "Power Clap", the "OSP is so intense it's the same as 4 months of experience") \- Internally people are the nicest people to each other but externally they defend the community viciously against 'attackers'. Cults are religious, so this isn't a religious cult, but in my opinion, a lot of the characteristics overlap with the things other people call cults. These things also apply to a lot of things. People call a lot of FAANG company's cultures 'cult-like' too. So this isn't a negative/mean/scary thing, it's just about acknowledging how it works. I don't think Codesmith leaders even realize this. All these amazing things and the way Codesmith leaders talk about Codesmith are also the positive things about things people call cults.