u/lawschoolredux wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Are there any ANY decent bootcamps left?
Hack Reactor - they only publish an overall alumni report now LOL thats kind of untrustworthy IMO how the mighty have fallen! I wonder if this program is still worth it…..
Codesmith - probably the best one as they actually publish their
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Alright these are my well informed PERSONAL OPINIONS UNLESS FACTUAL DATA IS EXPLICITLY MENTIONED BELOW:
Codesmith is the worst of the worst and their "transparent" data is smoke and mirrors and everyone needs to be cautioned about it. I'm taking a hit to my reputation calling them out so aggressively but I'm so morally against what they are doing I can't stand silent. Share with your friends and carefully review my arguments your self - don't listen to them without doing so.
Hack Reactor - they have been fully rolled into Galvanize with Tech Elevator, which was fully rolled into Stride Learning. My understanding from people there is that Stride Learning isn't putting that unit high on the priority list and it's kind of a drag on the company. You can read the investor updates here and see what you think: [https://investors.stridelearning.com/events-and-presentations/default.aspx](https://investors.stridelearning.com/events-and-presentations/default.aspx) (Lack of mention of anything bootcamp related tells you all you need to know)
Codesmith - I called them out in Spring 2024 when they FINALLY released their 2022 full year report after CIRR changed the rules. I reverse engineered the H2 2022 report and called out how terrible it was and how Codesmith was not being transparent by masking that behind a full year report and blaming CIRR rules (they controlled CIRR and their rep is the person that been updating the rules document PDF on CIRR's website). Now I called them out right and they were DEFENSIVE AND GASLIGHT ME posting about their 'incredible outcomes'.
2023 report finally came out three months ago and guess what RESULTS TANKED EVEN MORE. First they tried to play off their California report as a "mistake that was corrected" and then when CIRR finally came out, it was terrible, they spoke about as if it was amazing.
Codesmith might be better than many other bootcamps, but the results are going off a cliff fast and they are not being honest about it the entire way off the cliff in my opinion.
So what they've done since is public these random windows of placements like "102 offers Aug 2024 to Jan 2025".
Well do the math, based on these reports, they tell us there are something like 250 offers accepted in 2024 (from 2022, 2023, 2024 grads) and that is abysmal and indicates that their 2024 grad numbers are probably even WORSE than 2023 or definitely not improving.
But during this entire time, recordings from their old CEO and staff were talking about how the market is improving, things are getting better in 2024, they are optimistic, etc....
I didn't even touch on my other opinions: 90% of staff layoff or leaving, CEO stepping down, tanking applications and enrollment, most tenured instructors gone, student accusing them of faking reference letter without checking for a fake time window they made up, and a lot more. I could go on for hours but I timebox My opinion is that Codesmith is a toxic place full of people who are so ambitious that instead of acknowledging reality they are delusional. If they aren't delusional they are stone cold liars in my opinion.
TLDR: opinion is they are falling apart and lying all the way down. Being the best of the worst doesn't mean they deserve your $22,500.
u/lawschoolredux wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Are there any ANY decent bootcamps left?
Hack Reactor - they only publish an overall alumni report now LOL thats kind of untrustworthy IMO how the mighty have fallen! I wonder if this program is still worth it…..
Codesmith - probably the best one as they actually publish their
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2/2 Fullstack - they have traded hands from Zovio to SimpliLearn so it's really a front on top of SimpliLearns business. I don't know enough about it but I suspect similar to Hack Reactor it's kind of like floating around with most of the below-surface running generically within SimpliLearn.
Flatiron - they spun back off WeWork and I haven't heard anything either.
General Assembly - they actually are still chugging along and they are focusing more on B2B upskilling than. You can read more about their parent [https://www.adeccogroup.com/investors/annual-report](https://www.adeccogroup.com/investors/annual-report) and they actually ARE mentioned often as a potential business boom. But not as a bootcamp, as a B2B upskilling platform.
Launch School - yeah the only actually honest bootcamp left that discloses 6 months after a cohort graduates how each student is doing and has still done this. 100% placement in 6 months dropped to 70% (which is what Codesmith was at it's more or less) and their enrollment seems down a bit but sufficient to sustain the business for now.
More generally, single cohort programs taught and led by their founders have a chance of surviving because they don't have layers of management in between to pay salaries to.
App Academy - after their CEO stepped down and the new CEO tried to reboot it as an AI bootcamp they sold to Coding Temple after the new CEO failed to reboot the SWE portion (it's still paused).
Coding Temple - I actually don't know much about them but they seem to be surviving and "acquired" App Academy!
Sprinboard/Triple-Ten - these are self paced programs with low completion rates and job guarantees. They are like expensive Udemy courses and I would avoid as well right now - don't fall for job guarantees.
u/EducationalAd237 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I went to a bootcamp in 2019 got a job 2 months after graduation. My girlfriend went to the same one and graduated in 2023 and she got a job a month after graduation.
My former job was as mortar infantry. I gave it my all. Like fully dove in it. And I pushed my girlfriend the s
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Can you comment if Sabio is still running? I noticed every single one of the instructors on their website no longer works there.
u/_cofo_ wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
We can call it misleading people though.
u/michaelnovatireplied·
At least it says at the top of the page "We earn a commission from the offers on this page, which influences which offers are displayed and how and where the offers appear. Advertiser Disclosure."
Course Report earns commissions and is equally biased but it's buries a little deeper and vaguer.