I work with many ex-FAANG recruiters directly on my team and many more in the industry. I also did 400+ interviews at Facebook, and work with colleagues that have thousands. So I can give my view, which is obviously biased by that background, but is hopefully useful for that perspective.
1. Many recruiters do immediately ignore bootcamp grads. But the reason is the same as why they ignore a lot of COMP SCI GRADS resumes. They all look the same and they can't figure out how to differentiate them. We would go to a recruiting fair at a college and we would get 300 internship resumes, having to choose 20 people for interviews then next week. All the resumes have the SAME projects, SAME courses, so what do you do? How would you differentiate. There's no time to go through everyone's portfolios. So you look for referrals, look for past internship experience, look for grades sometimes when all…
They are softening the language around mid level and senior roles. They used to say 70% of alumni receive mid level roles and 25% receive senior roles, but recently removed it from their LinkedIn because it’s subjective to say the least. I worked at Facebook for 8 years and have an extensive network at top tier companies and people found that claim somewhat infuriating as people with no related experience cannot get mid level FAANG roles (rare exceptions and edge cases but not 95% of Codesmith alumni) and the roles they are calling mid level and a senior are somewhat made up. People with prior work experience can get mid level roles and people can get job titles with inflated language (some contractors call everyone a “senior engineer”) but at the truly top tier bar, no.
So I would encourage you to look at Codesmith if you have no experience and you’ll be just fine if you have the raw…
I personally talk about Formation all the time on here and also agree with your points that people can just choose to ignore the top level post if they want and don't think the post itself is a problem IMO. As long as the rules are the same for everyone I don't have any problems.
I think there's a maybe a slight problem if ~~a member of the~~ EDIT: an employee of school is a moderator of the forum as is the case. I also find it crazy that everyone talks about Codesmith and Rithm here and like 10% of current Codesmith students are on Reddit talking about it haha and it comes across like there are no other options out there. But if you are close to your next cohort deadline and the moderator ~~starts shutting down Codesmith threads~~ (EDIT: mod explained they were trying to help and not shut down conversation) ( [https://www.reddit.com/r/codingbootcamp/comments/x7sx97/lets\_hear\_it\_fro…
I can give some thoughts on this, TLDR: CIRR results are real and Codesmith has very high outcomes on paper, but there are two sides to everything yes, nothing is perfect. I talk often to Don (disclosure, Formation.dev, company I co-founded, has sponsored one of this videos - as he doesn't accept bootcamp sponsorships, this is one of the only non-bootcamp sponsorships he's ever done but it could be a bias)
So first of all, I believe it was hard for him to find Codesmith alumni for a few reasons:
1. People don't list it on their LinkedIn's often because Codesmith suggests people exclude it from their history so their skills can shine, rather than any credentials.
2. To remain unbiased he won't include people who reach out to HIM first wanting to be on his podcast.
3. There are a lot of vocal Codesmith supporters that have worked either part time or full time at Codesmith in some capacit…
Your account is 8 days old and some of the things you reference reminds me of several accounts from alleged Codesmith students/alumni that have attacked me in the past and then been eventually deleted from Reddit. So I will be choosing to not engage. Sorry if I'm completely off the mark here I just don't have time to for this to keep going on if that is the case.
Anyone reading this, please read my comment history, it's public, and decide for yourself what you think of my advice and my disclosures.
I accept the feedback that I need to be very careful about disclosures and it will continue to be top of mind in my comments in this subreddit and across similar subreddits.
EDIT: and I'm blocked... the classic "last word" long text + block strategy I was alluding to in the patterns above happening yet again. I use my real name here to be transparent. If I wanted to have a secret campaig…
I just took a peek at these sections of the CIRR standards and even if they can't "contact someone" (and they have to try FOUR TIMES to classify as non-responsive) then they can't be removed from the report, they just count as not contactable. So people who are not asked to fill out the surveys should still be included in the report.
The school has to submit a list of students on day 3 to the auditors to avoid students being removed from the lists later on.
So if this is is happening, my hunch is these people are just considered "not graduated". One of the weaknesses of CIRR is that the salaries are based on PEOPLE WHO ARE EMPLOYED. So the median of $125K is of the people who reported and are employed. The 20% of other people at $0 salaries who either didn't graduate OR didn't get a job, are not included in that stat.
So my hunch is there isn't something fraudulent going on and that t…
I can share my answer to this. Context, I did NOT do a bootcamp, I did traditional CS and have been working in the industry for 13 years since graduating (first 8 years at FB). However, I now work with a lot of people from a lot of different bootcamps a year or two into their careers to help them level up to top tier roles.
So a few controversial points:
1. Outcomes are hard to judge and often skewed. The reports people produce are a good starting point to narrow down the handful of bootcamps with better results. But there's a lot of reading between the lines. A Codesmith executive in a Course Report video about two years ago that about 30% of people have a CS degree or prior experience 1. (not sure if this is still the case), and their median salary is one of the highest. But people tend to have more experience going in, so the results for people with no experience might be different…