📢 BREAKING: Codesmith shutdown. Removes all immersive programs from website, blog posts, community, and content. All previous links 404 and disappeared. The company has completely rebranded as an enterprise AI solutions company.
📢 BREAKING: Codesmith shutdown. Removes all immersive programs from website, blog posts, community, and content. All previous links 404 and disappeared. The company has completely rebranded as an enterprise AI solutions company.
Developing.
End of an era.
u/MundaneValuable7 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Pivoting to being AI grifters doesn't really help with the reputational allegations against them. Would be funny if it wasn't so frustrating.
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
Well the team isn't anymore qualified than anyone to do AI consulting so we'll see if they are successful at it.
The IRS contract means nothing as there are 6 companies and counting in that contract and they have to compete on actual work and haven't seen any receipts yet for that.
It's possible they didn't want to shut down the Codesmith brand so this is just like a holding company, shell/home for the briend.
Will Sentance seems like he's completely moved on to physical AI, manufacturing plants in the mid-west, robot hackatons, Oxford Fellow, Stanford Fellow.
Amazing how quickly he moved on from Codesmith and abandoned everything after personally making millions of dollars (based on court filling estimations) off of Codesmith.
The sad problem is that out of the $50M Codesmith approximately/estimate made in pure student tuition, millions of that went into Will Sentance's pockets and the guy had gaul to call out the fact that my company is venture funded. I've made $0 since day 1 and put even more money into my company, meanwhile he has taken student tuition dollars directly into his pockets and his investors pockets, based on court fillings explanation of money flows, while portraying a holier-than-thou attitude.
u/Extension_Subject635 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Not familiar with the Will Sentance codesmith story. How is it bad he made money as founder of it? What did he do?
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
Court documents indicate his compensation could have been $500,000 base per year plus up to 50% of profits.
I don't really care what his compensation is, but my point is about the transparency of that and the messaging he had around Codesmith's mission, etc...
For example he continuously claimed Codesmith was independent, when court records it was 70% owned by investors and that those investors got millions $3.9M paid to them.
Nothing wrong with business in America, I just push coding bootcamps for transparency because every time a white knight shows up they end up being a manipulative, money-hungry person in disguise.
u/sheriffderek wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
We've been talking about this for years now - right?
I think this might be officially *kicking a dead horse* \-- and I'm not sure what the point is.
Things in life change. It's not strange for a company in this field to change.
u/michaelnovatireplied·
The shit I took for being critical during the good times means they don't get a free pass to ride off in the sunset in the bad times.
I was truthful and correct the entire past 4 years and Codesmith has been disingenuous.
u/sheriffderek wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I've had a martini - so, I'm not going to respond right now --- but in general, if you cared about education (At all) - you would have *talked about education* and ALL the schools... and you wouldn't only care about this 1 school that is easy to tear down in a single blog post an
u/michaelnovatireplied·
u/LostInCombat wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
By your definition, nothing is independent. Every company is owned by someone. No surprise there.
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
If I told everyone that bootcamps owned by investors sucked and Codesmith can be trusted because it's independent, and it was actually owned 70% by investors, who allegedly "stole" (Codesmith's word in the lawsuit) $3.9M, and you yourself made millions of dollars...
That's indeed wrong.
I don't care if you are independent or not.
I don't want companies to trick people.
u/ongrabbits wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
$3.5M split among multiple investors is a scandal?
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Read the lawsuit about that
u/LostInCombat wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I think what you mean is debt free, as any company holding a debt has obligations even if it were a single owner. And if they can’t manage those obligations then they are forced to close.
u/michaelnovatireplied·DELETED · archived copy★ FEATURED
Will Sentance has been unambiguous about this. He thought most bootcamps were driven by profit motivated investors who pushed for scale.
He maybe be right about that but his OWN COMPANY had PROFIT MOTIVATED INVESTORS that resulted in internal disputes, chaos and lawsuits, that impacted the business and took a lot of money off the table.
People need to know about this four-faced liar because he took advantage of people's distrust of bootcamps, thousands of people believed it, when he was no better off himself.
u/michaelnovati wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Will Sentance has been unambiguous about this. He thought most bootcamps were driven by profit motivated investors who pushed for scale.
He maybe be right about that but his OWN COMPANY had PROFIT MOTIVATED INVESTORS that resulted in internal disputes, chaos and lawsuits, that i
u/michaelnovatireplied·DELETED · archived copy
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The voting manipulation is back... from +4 to -6 with only 48 views, deeply nested comment... my parent comment above this has 250 videos.
u/michaelnovati wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
The shit I took for being critical during the good times means they don't get a free pass to ride off in the sunset in the bad times.
I was truthful and correct the entire past 4 years and Codesmith has been disingenuous.
u/michaelnovatireplied·DELETED · archived copy
Voting manipulation, flagging for Reddit
u/MundaneValuable7 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Pivoting to being AI grifters doesn't really help with the reputational allegations against them. Would be funny if it wasn't so frustrating.
u/michaelnovatireplied·DELETED · archived copy
The bot army is back to downvote me, 10 views, -10 votes... these people have no integrity and people are shocked Codesmith imploded and that a number of former staff think Will Sentance is a liar.
u/michaelnovati wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
The bot army is back to downvote me, 10 views, -10 votes... these people have no integrity and people are shocked Codesmith imploded and that a number of former staff think Will Sentance is a liar.
u/michaelnovatireplied·DELETED · archived copy
Whoever is manipulating Reddit should help Codesmith fix their embarrassing website problems instead.
u/LostInCombat wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I think what you mean is debt free, as any company holding a debt has obligations even if it were a single owner. And if they can’t manage those obligations then they are forced to close.
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
Will Sentance has been unambiguous about this. He thought most bootcamps were driven by profit motivated investors who pushed for scale and resulted in bad products.
He maybe be right about that but his OWN COMPANY had PROFIT MOTIVATED INVESTORS that resulted in internal disputes, chaos and lawsuits, that impacted the business and took a lot of money off the table. He scaled too fast in 2023 and it resulted in the implosion of his product.
People need to know about this four-faced liar because he took advantage of people's distrust of bootcamps, thousands of people believed it, when he was no better off himself. He was making millions, he scaled too fast, quality degraded, it imploded.
The only difference is he blamed me for his decline and his mental health issues which is the fourth face of the lie... while telling these things to the public, he was wrapping up a massive lawsuit that drained his time and energy and distracted him for years... four-faced liar.
u/MundaneValuable7 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Pivoting to being AI grifters doesn't really help with the reputational allegations against them. Would be funny if it wasn't so frustrating.
u/michaelnovatireplied·DELETED · archived copy★ FEATURED
Well the team isn't any more qualified than anyone else to do AI consulting so we'll see if they are successful at it. Will Sentance has never worked full time at a real company.
The IRS contract means nothing as there are 6 companies and counting in that contract and they have to compete on actual work and haven't seen any receipts yet for that.
It's possible they didn't want to shut down the Codesmith brand so this is just like a holding company, shell/home for the briend.
Will Sentance seems like he's completely moved on to physical AI, manufacturing plants in the mid-west, robot hackatons, Oxford Fellow, Stanford Fellow.
Amazing how quickly he moved on from Codesmith and abandoned everything after personally making millions of dollars (based on court filling estimations) off of Codesmith.
The sad problem is that out of the $50M Codesmith approximately/estimate made in pure student tuition, millions of that went into Will Sentance's pockets and the guy had gaul to call out the fact that my company is venture funded. I've made $0 since day 1 and put even more money into my company, meanwhile he has taken student tuition dollars directly into his pockets and his investors pockets, based on court fillings explanation of money flows, and a purchase of a multi-million dollar building in the UK, while portraying a holier-than-thou attitude.
u/thehorns666 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I am a codesmith grad.. and got a job from that program... It was before the AI boom. The program worked and people got hired. The market is too tough now to have engineers with 3 months of bootcamps experience to get a job. As far as his own policy towards other people.. I don't
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
I recommended Codesmith to many people, who thanked me afterwards. I have had a pulse on this for 4 years, and I paused my recommendations in February 2024 (when they scaled back about 50%) and removed it in Fall 2024 (when they didn't fulfill the commitments they promised in Feb).
And I was perfectly timed with exactly the fall of Codesmith.
I was being a damn good industry analyst who called it perfectly.
Instead their leaders blamed me for the decline for simply calling out reality.
It's sad because the students and alumni who are (mostly) very ambitious and incredible people shouldn't feel attacked because Codesmith has had incompetent leadership.
u/momo_0 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Will Sentance listing himself as an "AI Researcher" with a grand total of zero published papers is hilarious
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
He is a "Visiting Policy Fellow" at Oxford, not a "Visiting Research Fellow"
The program he's doing requires an application and sponsorship process, but HE HAS TO PAY £12,500-19,000 TO DO IT.
It's not like anyone can do this, it's Oxford after all, but he's paying to be there...
If he was actually doing research he would be a "Research Fellow".
[https://www.oii.ox.ac.uk/research/visitor-programme/](https://www.oii.ox.ac.uk/research/visitor-programme/)
u/michaelnovati wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Well the team isn't anymore qualified than anyone to do AI consulting so we'll see if they are successful at it.
The IRS contract means nothing as there are 6 companies and counting in that contract and they have to compete on actual work and haven't seen any receipts yet for th
u/michaelnovatireplied·DELETED · archived copy
Reddit, please clean up voting manipulating again, these people are ridiculous.
u/momo_0 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Yeah I'm referencing his wording. It's a straight lie, intended to deceive.
And I fully expect him to hire an investigative journalist to try to smear me for calling out his deception.
https://preview.redd.it/25cvv18wew5h1.png?width=2148&format=png&auto=webp&s=0343ddb3095b82b74
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
Yeah I'm just posting receipts for everyone else reading it with all the evidence, I added a screenshot of the Upwork job he has to try to get someone to do the research for him too.
I've had enough of this guy spewing out lies and manipulation and making millions of dollars doing it and as a prominent public figure, he has to be accountable to the public.
u/momo_0 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
omg share the upwork PLEASE
u/michaelnovatireplied·DELETED · archived copy★ FEATURED
I don't want to share the raw link because there is A LOT Of stuff on there. Seems like he hires all his lawyers, interior designers, all the people for their IRS thing.... you can try to find it on your own, it's all public and not hard to find.
I don't really understand why the IRS would pay Codesmith a bunch of money if all these people are just Upwork contractors that ANYONE could hire for $40 an hour. Maybe that's how the government works, but we need more integrity and value creation and not people selling off the work of Upwork contractors with a huge markup to the government.
u/michaelnovati wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
He is a "Visiting Policy Fellow" at Oxford, not a "Visiting Research Fellow"
The program he's doing requires an application and sponsorship process, but HE HAS TO PAY £12,500-19,000 TO DO IT.
It's not like anyone can do this, it's Oxford after all, but he's paying to be there
u/michaelnovatireplied·DELETED · archived copy
I love how this gets 10 new views and -3 downvotes in minutes. This post is pure fact and if you think I'm wrong, explain what's wrong and I'll very quickly correct it! If you don't like the facts then I don't really know what to say, that's on you.
u/reddingdave wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
This Michael Novati guy has a long-standing, documented obsession with Codesmith.
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
Right, from an account with "65 contributions", and I count at least a dozen comments (from two threads alone) that are on Codesmith-Novati posts with no other involvement in this sub.
If you are a real and independent person, debate me with integrity, not with sketchy accounts.
I've been harassed by dozens of similar looking accounts for years that were banned/deleted and I need more integrity to take someone seriously.
u/michaelnovati wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Right, from an account with "65 contributions", and I count at least a dozen comments (from two threads alone) that are on Codesmith-Novati posts with no other involvement in this sub.
If you are a real and independent person, debate me with integrity, not with sketchy accounts.
u/michaelnovatireplied·
LOL, from +1 to +12 since I commented when I had only 12 views. u/reddingdave if you aren't a part of this at least don't be a puppet for those people.
https://preview.redd.it/8tjdf9nrdz5h1.png?width=1328&format=png&auto=webp&s=743036976c862fee03d1b67817a6735e68f43a42
u/michaelnovatireplied·
There you go folks. From +1 to +8 after I commented and had 4 views.
This is called vote manipulation and this is why Codesmith's content on Reddit gets flagged by the algorithm.
https://preview.redd.it/f33b6fw1ez5h1.png?width=840&format=png&auto=webp&s=e1b95f780805d2c39ec5e1c599eeac21dd84835f
u/reddingdave wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
This Michael Novati guy has a long-standing, documented obsession with Codesmith.
u/michaelnovatireplied·DELETED · archived copy
Flag for Reddit to cleanup manipulation
u/ongrabbits wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
You're obsessed. Get some help. See a therapist.
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Flag for Reddit to cleanup manipulation
u/ongrabbits wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Obsessed and paranoid isn’t a good look.
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u/ongrabbits wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Obsessed and paranoid isn’t a good look.
u/michaelnovatireplied·DELETED · archived copy★ FEATURED
You realize all day long the counts jump +10 in minutes and then Reddit cleans it up later. I've had numerous notifications of comments on this post and I click through and the account is already banned and the comment is gone.
I will stay here with my one account, and let Codesmith destroy it's own reputation for not trying to stop this behavior.
u/ongrabbits wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Yes it’s a known behavior. Reddit intentionally fudges the vote count
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Vote fuzzing doesn't turn +1 to +12 in 12 views. That's blatant manipulation.
u/ongrabbits wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Maybe people actually agree with me then?
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
Maybe some people do, but this is vote manipulation. When I was moderator there was maybe one or two times I saw this on content about two other bootcamps, yet it happens on every controversial Codesmith post.
There is no evidence that Codesmith themselves are doing it, they have denied that. But someone or some people are and there are unique patterns here.
I similarly get downvoted to like -10 and then an hour later it's wiped back out to like +3.
And no one else has that happen to them.
Maybe these people feel justified in their actions, but all it looks like is suppressing negative facts instead of actually disproving them.
And that makes Reddit AI algorithms think Codesmith is very sketchy.
I honestly haven't seen this pattern in other places on Reddit either because like this sub has such little activity relative to other places these strategies might be less obvious.
u/reddingdave wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Your paranoia is amusing.
u/michaelnovatireplied·DELETED · archived copy
u/reddingdave wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
My comment wasn't intended to "debate" you, and I don't care if you take me seriously or not lol. And I'm not harassing you either.
u/michaelnovatireplied·DELETED · archived copy★ FEATURED
So you have zero affiliation with Codesmith, staff, former staff, alumni, etc... and you are just a person that happens to comment a huge percentage of comments on Codesmith related content.
I covered that case, and you could be normal Redditor who happened upon here, and then is being used for manipulation.
u/momo_0 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Will Sentance listing himself as an "AI Researcher" with a grand total of zero published papers is hilarious
u/michaelnovatireplied·
You are the new downvote target for speaking the truth.
u/reddingdave wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Your paranoia is amusing.
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
You see how it's back down to 3 now... that's called Reddit manipulation fixing. Unless it went from 1 to 12 with 12 views and then 12 to 3 with 40 more views. Which is statistically extremely unlikely given that all the other comments on this branch fluctuated +/-1 .
You are an idiot if you think this isn't weird or you are just harassing me with gaslighting.
u/jaerusaurus wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
you seem to have a weird obsession with the founder - since nothing you're saying is a problem as far as I can see... why are you digging in so much here? Is there some back story I don't know about? Seems like CS created a valuable product and he and his investors made some mone
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
I saw your other comment that you aren't familiar with the coding bootcamp industry or the sub, so I would recommend doing some research on all sides
[https://michaelnovati.substack.com/p/a-response-to-lars-lofgrens-codesmith](https://michaelnovati.substack.com/p/a-response-to-lars-lofgrens-codesmith)
u/jaerusaurus wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Yeah, this is the first thread I'm really diving into, but it seems like this guy Michael has some sort of weird obsession. Maybe the CodeSmith CEO slept with his wife LOL
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
I'm a single-account non-anonymous profile dealing with four years of dozens of fake, then Reddit-wide banned accounts going after me for talking about Codesmith.
I've explicitly stated that I'm calling them out. I supported Codesmith for years, and I've been commenting on the reality of their decline, and they turned that into publicly blaming me for causing $9M in declines. So my only goal is for people to get the facts straight.
You can see here [https://michaelnovati.substack.com/p/a-response-to-lars-lofgrens-codesmith](https://michaelnovati.substack.com/p/a-response-to-lars-lofgrens-codesmith) how I provided a list of 39 pro-Codesmith accounts that were Reddit-wide banned and have been dealing with this for years.
The problem is I have one account, one real name and you can see my content. It's not easy to add up the cumulative behavior of all those banned accounts.
u/reddingdave wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I don't pay much attention to views and upvotes, nor do I have anything to with it here. That's just reddit, in my experience. To be sitting in this thread refreshing and comparing numbers over time, and accusing me of having something to do with it, *is* paranoia.
Get a new ho
u/michaelnovatireplied·
I have ways of monitoring and now you are at 0, with hardly any more views.
If you don't want to pay attention good for you. I am and I'm speaking the truth and you are gaslighting me as a crazy person.
u/reddingdave wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
It seems to be a near-universal sentiment that you are not a normal person. Remember this thread? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45522396
Is *everyone* who points out your behavior and bizarre fixation a Codesmith plant? Is... is Codesmith in the room with us right now?
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
No, it's totally fine to call out my behavior, if you also discuss the substance and give me a chance to explain where I'm coming from.
For example this post alone I have what like 30 comments. That doesn't mean that I commented about Codesmith "every day for a month". But some people judged me based on Lars's fake conclusions.
Or are saying it does? This post is evidence that I talked about Codesmith "every day for a whole month" according to the Lars Lofgren methodology.
I have been very much on top of Codesmith, and for good reason, and you can think I'm too on top of them and that I'm correct.
But calling me obsessive and therefore I'm wrong is an idiotic argument.
u/reddingdave wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
1. I haven't once read what the good reasons are for your fixation on Codesmith, or at least nothing that is unique to Codesmith and not other bootcamps (or hell, businesses *in general*). Absolutely nothing that explains the level of focus you have put on them, including paying
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
I'll try to summarize then, I do agree that I haven't clearly articulated all of it publicly:
1. I interviewed Codesmith grads who were lying through their teeth and I got fascinated by it
2. When I started poking around people were cult-like devoted to Codesmith, which got me more interested
3. By asking questions a number of former staff and alumni reached out with telling me all kinds of crazy stuff going on there, which got me MORE interested
NOTE that through this time I was very supportive of them overall. The grads were solid, the outcomes were good. I recommended people go there. I recommended they ear the sausage. I was curious how the sausage was made.
NOTE also that people on the Codesmith side thought I was a competitor trying to steal business and I also spent some energy explaining the differences and clarifying.
4. I started piecing together how the sausage was made, which means checking public GitHubs and LinkedIns responsibly. Asking people questions responsibly (e.g. be transparent upfront and if they don't reply, leave them alone), etc... and there were a number of problems.
5. I started calling out those problems as FEEDBACK because Codesmith had the winds in their sails, and they could improve a lot of things. I had concrete suggestions. And my feedback was dismissed.
6. I found security vulnerabilities, passwords and credentials in their open source projects, leaking PII on their website, and all kinds of problems I pointed out to them as FEEDBACK to improve.
They didn't improve. They imploded largely because of the market, but if they addressed the feedback maybe it would have helped. And then all the leaders talked to Lars Lofgren blaming me as the cause of most of it singlehandedly.
In my mind, collecting information responsibly isn't obsession. It's journalistic integrity. If I didn't try to cross my t's and dot my i's then I would indeed be a crazy person with wild accusations. I have made a mistake now and then (that I promptly corrected) but if I was actually obsessed I probably wouldn't have made.
I think my bar for speed, my impatience, my expectations around the speed to fix "unbreak now problems" is maybe misaligned with many, but it's far from an obsession.
I'm obsessed with my company and my work and that's where my time actually goes, as anyone who works with me or any engineer that worked with my company would clearly see.
u/momo_0 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Yeah would love any of the downvoters to tell me what was untrue. There is a special place in hell for people who grift with education. Unfortunately the bootcamp industry was a magnet for these people (don't get me started with Austen Allred).
Codesmith genuinely was best i
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
You are experiencing what I've experienced for four years: I don't understand why people downvote the truth. I can guess ideas, but just like I don't want to people to make assumptions about me, I try to not make assumptions about other people. If I do based on the evidence in front of me, I will correct and change it if new evidence comes to light.
Like people might not like you calling out an obvious contradiction: someone calling themselves a Karpathy-like AI researcher when they have never actually published any research. They might not like you rubbing salt in a wound that Will Sentance said he was publishing a book last year that doesn't seem to have ever come out.
Like calling out someone who repeatedly warps the truth, with public sources, former staff, and dozens of examples, might be mean.
But if you are Will Sentance, a public figure, who signs his DM's '1,000,000 students taught', then you also get grilled.
Anything else would be a double standard.
u/ongrabbits wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
99% of your posts are about codesmith. You're not a journalist. If you were, everyone would question your journalistic integrity because you never write about anything else. You're obsessed with codesmith more than your company. The first thing you did when you woke up was open t
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
All false. Stop making Reddit a place of untrustworthy garbage and focus on the truth.
By the way, I guess you aren't an engineer or didn't have a solid computer science education, but monitoring sitemaps is a common thing. Any AI tool can even do in on a schedule without any code or any service.
You sound just like those dozens of accounts that got banned from Reddit.
u/ongrabbits wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
So you're a journalist? It'll explain a lot.
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
Again, what's with these trolling attacks that don't actually address what I say and why do these people only come out on Codesmith posts.
I never have these discussion when I criticize other programs. The CEO's usually reach out, we talk and everything is good.
Codesmith community is so weird. "Powerclap" and "smile" camera on in every session. If you display negatively you get a 1-1 'attitude correction' with an instruction.
But on the outside, if you say anything bad about Codesmith, the wrath of all-mighty power shall be thrust upon you to shut you up.
u/ongrabbits wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Here we go 🙄
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
Sarcasm and trolling, you haven't once actually tried to discuss the substance, not once. All of your posts are attacks, trolling, etc...
For example, I had a private conversation with someone about what's a reasonable timeframe and rollout plan to rollout a new website and am I being too hard on them or am I not being hard enough. Both sides. Good discussion. That helps be understand where people are at.
Your commments insults and trolling and your +20 fake bullshit comment has been Reddit correct back to +2.
👏👏👏 stop spreading fake news.
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u/reddingdave wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Upvoting this perfectly reasonable comment in order to fuel Michael Novati's reddit manipulation hysteria.
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Reddit corrected them thank you very much and it's +2 now. It's blatant manipulation that Reddit has to keep fixing and some idiots keep doing over and over, burning and burning Codesmith's Reddit reputation.
u/reddingdave wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
None of this makes any sense to me.
How does this:
> I interviewed Codesmith grads who were lying through their teeth and I got fascinated by it
> When I started poking around people were cult-like devoted to Codesmith, which got me more interested
> By asking questions a nu
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
I have received numerous bug bounties for finding security vulnerabilities thank you very much and participated in organizing Red Team security drills.
The situation is complicated over 4 years and you jumped in at the "everything is burning to the ground" stage. I look really bad, Codesmith looks really bad. There are bad actors going after me left right and center. There are bad actors who went after Codesmith over the years.
And yes, if you were here for 4 years you would see all of the people I recommended go to Codesmith, because every bootcamp has flaws and if you are a good fit for Codesmith you should go to Codesmith and I tried to make that happen.
I'm very bad at communicating in general, but you are seeing a sliver of this thing.
Reddit shut down all the manipulation as you saw, and now the people went to X.
u/reddingdave wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
> Codesmith community is so weird. "Powerclap" and "smile" camera on in every session. If you display negatively you get a 1-1 'attitude correction' with an instruction.
Yes, I find this shit weird too. But you've been focused on them for literal years. Nothing you've written ex
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
When I criticized other programs, their leaders reached out to me, we talked and sorted things out. We didn't become friends, but it mattered.
Codesmith never reached out for years and the first time a Codesmith leader reached out to me in 2024 he said "With regards to your posts re Codesmith, I generally don’t have any issue with them"
So WTF... that implies you do not have a problem with my Reddit activity.
Like I can't deal with reading between the lines, passive aggressive messaging, people saying things they don't mean to mean something else.
u/Ill-Rabbit-7386 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
It’s pretty crazy. The things novati has done behind the scenes is even crazier. Like a codesmith student revealing he added her and every person in her cohort, describing it as “stalking”. All while daily posting the same vitriol.
I’ll be posting about things I’ve come across
u/michaelnovatireplied·
That is a fake account, targeted attacked, and tabloid-level manipulation of information.
All of what you and that person said are false manipulations.
u/Ill-Rabbit-7386 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
This is classic DARVO. I’m not a tech business owner with a link to my website for tech training, who’s posted 1000+ times about one bootcamp, for your personal benefit at the expense of this community.
I simply provided a screenshot of what youve done on Reddit and beyond. A m
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Can you please put in writing that you are saying for a fact that I did those things and you did all reasonable research to confirm those facts in restarting them as facts?
u/Ill-Rabbit-7386 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
After you confirm in writing that “I reached out to codesmith to get official status of their program before posting in all caps their company was shutdown on a subreddit with 100,000+ readers. I have direct primary source and can fully substantiate my claim that codesmith is shu
u/michaelnovatireplied·
So I'll take that as a no, you won't stand by the claims you are making as facts.