</BOOTCAMPS> ❤️ OFFICIAL MEMORIAL POST: share this around and tell your old bootcamp stories in the comments. So we can close the bootcamp chapter on a positive note.
</BOOTCAMPS> ❤️ OFFICIAL MEMORIAL POST: share this around and tell your old bootcamp stories in the comments. So we can close the bootcamp chapter on a positive note.
I asked **CIRR 30 days ago** where the 2024-25 **missing reports** are. I did not get a response. This tells me CIRR is dead and its flagship Codesmith is dead. Other bootcamps we've lost are: Rithm, Turing, Codeup, Kenzie, Launch Academy, Momentum, Alchemy, Epicodus, Lighthouse Labs, 2U/Trilogy, Lambda School, and more.
Unlike the embarrassing end that CIRR and Codesmith are experiencing - too ashamed to end on a positive note and instead end in layoffs and utter silence, I want things to end on a positive.
If you graduated from a coding bootcamp in the past, and it changed your life, TELL US YOUR STORY. No selling or shilling, just tell us how coding impacted your life and in the right time and right place your bootcamp experience mattered.
u/ezemode wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I got lucky enough to decide to take the hack reactor program back during covid in 2020. I was in what I think was one of their last successful programs, and then got super lucky once again to be reached out to by a fellow hack reactor alumni right after graduating. He got me se
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Thank you for sharing!
u/portugese_fruit wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
are we closing this subreddit?
u/michaelnovatireplied·
I think we should memorialize it. Coding bootcamps are done forever. Other kinds of bootcamps I'm sure will rise, but not coding ones.
u/SnooDoubts8688 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Sorry to hear that. I remember exploring some bootcamps back in the day, and there were some shady bootcamps almost enforcing students to sign that ISA program. I read the contract line by line and decided it was too stinky to sign. I found another bootcamp and actually negotiate
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Yeah ISAs have a lot of benefits and a lot of problems, and where you land generally depends on your outcome.
The ISA regulation shifted and when they were branded as loans and I think that helped the perspective.
They seemed too good to be true - "I get free training and don't pay anything unless I get a job" when that wasn't entirely the case. It was valid in some cases, but it made it feel too risk-free.
u/ongrabbits wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Theres no way this is true. Calculators can solve math problems but we still build intuition on how the operations work. You cannot go full speed ahead using AI if you don't have intuition from coding.
u/michaelnovatireplied·
I went to OpenAI's office this week and had a session with people on the Codex team. It is absolutely true but it will take a bit more time until it reaches everywhere.
u/ongrabbits wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
What does that mean for your company Formation?
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
1. Formation is a technology platform that support practice and mentorship in pretty many any information area, and we have been exploring other areas, like this one [https://formation.dev/ai-native-ea](https://formation.dev/ai-native-ea)
2. For SWEs - we're seeing more and more senior, strong background engineers coming to us because there is fierce competition for those senior jobs. We have thousands of pieces of content and are constantly adapting to the changing landscape.
u/BroomHill1882 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I had a very long story. I took the Galvanize bootcamp back in 2018. I felt I did very well, my final project was such a success that I ended up presenting it at three local meetups.
I had nearly a dozen interviews afterward, but I ended up failing every single one. In retrospec
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Thanks for sharing this, more people than you know relate to this journey of stops and starts and ups and downs.
The bootcamps are so eager to place you that for them, the END is the placement. For you that's just the START. So they focus on getting the job through whatever means, and not what happens after.
Even the bootcamps that think they offer support for life, really have no idea just how many gaps there really are to supporting someone long term. And it makes sense, a different focus and a different expertise than 0 to 1.