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How many bootcamp grads in Canada get jobs in the US · r/cscareerquestionsCAD

u/michaelnovati replied ·
Yeah of course!
u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Hi there, I'm the co-founder of Formation, and feel free to ping me with your name/email if you want some more advice on areas to work on. Our bar is high and our assessment process is hard and you shouldn't feel bad. I want to reiterate that most people we work with (70%+ as of our last count) have worked for at least a year in SWE jobs so it should be expected to be hard as a bootcamp grad. Our assessment is not an objective test so much as it's meant to help us pattern match you against other people we've worked with. We want to get a baseline of where you are at, and based on a meeting about your goals, if we can get you to where you want to go. If you got a perfect score you might not even need our help! Anyways feel free to reach out regardless with maybe your LinkedIn and a little more info and I can try to give you some more advice!

Currently in Codesmith, question for former students? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I'm curious to hear CS students and alumni stance on this from the inside. I can speak to the broader market and economy. It's quite an interesting time. Salaries and hiring were hot for the past 3 months and things are definitely freezing up right now. Two months ago, Google outreached to bootcamp grads inviting them to interview, getting inundated with thousands of applicants, and now Google is freezing hiring and reshuffling priorities and some people think there will be fewer L3 slots - yet to be determined. The companies that are hiring are aware of the "FAANG-Freeze" and are not negotiating as much and they have more leverage. I'm also seeing some interviews get cancelled or offers being "delayed" out of hesitation, and this can be demoralizing if you are super close to a dream offer and it gets put on ice. So regardless of the result - be ready for a potentially rougher time. Th…

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Meta Production Engineering Program · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · · edited
Yeah I know someone who went through that program and then converted to full time production engineer. I also worked at Facebook for 8 years and know the VP that started the program. What do you want to know? :D So production engineering is technically a separate role from SWE at Facebook, which is the most common role you think about at FB. However the compensation is similar and the role is software heavy still so it’s a great position. This role pays in the mid 100s for example even though it’s a 12 month fixed term. But you don’t get stock until converting. The actual role is somewhat like a dev ops engineer however Facebook builds all of its own tools and infrastructure from scratch and you also work on those tools and configure and manage really complex infrastructure. The interview process covers DS&A, behavioral, and also low level computer operations, i.e. command line stu…

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Dropbox IGNITE · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied ·
Hi there, fairly familiar with this process yeah. It is intense and somewhat unfair because the DS&A bar they want is not taught at any bootcamps, yet the program is aimed at people with non traditional backgrounds. The bar is lower than the normal top tier level DS&A bar but it's close. The test is indeed very hard, the people that passed it that I know have studied and practiced significantly beyond their bootcamps curriculum. Can't hurt to try and know where the bar is though!

Currently in Codesmith, question for former students? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Sorry kind of replying to the whole thread here. This is a normal thing I've heard too. I know alumni who felt similarly even during OSP. If you are open about it you get a "trust the Codesmith way, it worked for alumni" response and that has motivated people to keep going as they see the light at the end of the tunnel. Throughout your career you'll feel overwhelmed a lot. Admitting it means you are open minded to learning. When senior engineers feel this way they sometimes fall back to what they know, even if it's not the best solution for a new problem. I'm biased (no bootcamp, eng degree, ex FB 8 years, run career accelerator program) but I strongly believe in learning the fundmamentals rather than any specific technologies, or memorizing DS&A. You want to be like a handy person that can do a heck of lot with a couple of beat up old tools by being just knowing all the different wa…

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Best part-time coding bootcamp · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · · edited
If you don't have prior experience and haven't done intense self teaching either, then I suggest FT over PT if you have the choice. But if you have a job or other life circumstances and can't do FT then PT is totally fine.

Best part-time coding bootcamp · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I don't think Codesmith is a notch above the rest, but it's absolutely one of the top bootcamps to consider. I've posted before about the reasons for why they effective relative to other top bootcamps but to repeat: 1. Higher barrier of entry, similar to how ivy league schools have good outcomes, the entry bar matters. It's not the only reason obviously, and the teaching has to be great, but it's a factor. 2. Codesmith resumes are crafted to turn 12 weeks (full time) of curriculum into a resume that looks like someone with about 1 year of work experience, and omitting Codesmith from the resume, which helps get more interviews than other bootcamp grads as their resumes appear strong. This is a more controversial point. Some people see this as misleading, others see it as a means to an ends as long as you can do well on the job. You'll find extremely strong opinions on both sides on Reddi…

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How many bootcamp grads in Canada get jobs in the US · r/cscareerquestionsCAD

u/michaelnovati replied ·
I choose to be non anonymous on Reddit yeah and I do that on purpose. I worked at Facebook for 8 years and saw a lot of problems that can happen with fake news and people surrounding themselves with self-reinforcing points of view, so I choose to be transparent and authentic here since Reddit is an anonymous place where this can happen very easily.

Best part-time coding bootcamp · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · · edited
Codesmith has a part time remote cohort that I would look into as well. M-Th 5-8pm PT Sat 9am-3pm PT and takes 9 months. EDIT: Sorry I mis-read the comment about Europe and these times likely do not work haha.

How many bootcamp grads in Canada get jobs in the US · r/cscareerquestionsCAD

u/michaelnovati replied ·
Correct. There’s some wiggle room and a good lawyer and explain the options but possibly yes, you may or may not be able to have certain other roles. You can get promoted along the engineering track totally fine as an “individual contributor” and you can often be a manager too if you are primarily applying your software engineering skills day to day.

How many bootcamp grads in Canada get jobs in the US · r/cscareerquestionsCAD

u/michaelnovati replied ·
Ah sorry good question. So it basically means just software engineer as opposed to a manager or data scientist or project manager or other roles. For TN status you have to have a specific role that is aligned to your degree to qualify.

Is getting hired just about getting lucky? · r/cscareerquestions

u/michaelnovati replied ·
Luck is a factor in all interviews, I like to think of the probability of passing. You have control to increase that probability through practice and truly improving your fundamentals. One thing to consider is that an interview is just an interview. Your performance on the job will ultimately dictate your future career and not your performance on the interview. So if you were truly hired accidentally at a big company, they will correct for that at some point. If you are a solid engineer and were hired in at the right level, then it will work out! I always advise people to work on the fundamentals and not to cram for the interviews themselves, you can get really lost in hours and hours of LC.

How many bootcamp grads in Canada get jobs in the US · r/cscareerquestionsCAD

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Hi, I lived in Regina for four years so stopping by to say hello! I have an engineering degree, went to Facebook in the US out of school in 2009. I know a lot about American bootcamps, not so much about Canadian bootcamps, but I can try to help. Since you have an CS masters you should be able to get a TN visa status and work anywhere in the US as an individual contributor engineer. Another route could be working for "FAANG" in Canada first and transferring. It's a bit of a wonky time to only target FAANG but it's certainly possible to get a FAANG job in the USA with a CS masters if you can get interviews and then pass the interviews (which are hard) I wouldn't do a bootcamp at this point unless you basically forgot everything from school, I would look at more career accelerators (disclosure: I'm co-founder of Formation.dev which is one such thing) like Outco, Interview Kickstart, S…

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For those interested, Formation is hosting a panel on FAANG engineer levels (junior/mid/senior/etc...) tomorrow · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied ·
We did record it, it might get sent out to people who attended, but I'll ask.

For those interested, Formation is hosting a panel on FAANG engineer levels (junior/mid/senior/etc...) tomorrow · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied ·
Nice to meet you too! Looking forward to working with you - when I find out who you really are haha.

Java or JavaScript? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied ·
Since it sounds like you are starting out, I would stick to Java and what the bootcamp is offering. JavaScript is more relevant on the front end, Java on the back end. Getting started with just one is confusing enough. I remember being similarly confused backed when I started learning years ago.

Software addition · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied ·
Look at the Twilio API. It's a little complex for a beginner and you might have to pay Another option that might be easier is the OneSignal API, I would probably start with that.

For those interested, Formation is hosting a panel on FAANG engineer levels (junior/mid/senior/etc...) tomorrow · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · · edited ★ FEATURED
Just FYI and for anyone else reading this, we are working on publishing more numbers so we have been crunching different stats, and around 7% of people have 0 experience (no bootcamp or no CS degree), and 70%+ have at least 1 year of professional full time SWE work experience already. We are friendly with most bootcamps and some Fellows teaching at their former bootcamps (not just Codesmith, but several). We have friendly chats with bootcamp founders about collaborations. We also work with people for an indefinite amount of time, adjusting people's work week to week, people can pause, resume, ramp up or ramp down. A bootcamp is short, intensive, structured and that is not what Formation is at all. So yeah, not a bootcamp and not trying to advertise to people who want to go to them.

For those interested, Formation is hosting a panel on FAANG engineer levels (junior/mid/senior/etc...) tomorrow · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Hi, we work with a lot of bootcamp alumni (something like 40%, close to but less than half have been to bootcamps in the past) so I thought this might be applicable to alumni or soon to be alumni. Our advertising is similar focused and not advertised towards people looking for bootcamps. If you visit our website you might also get ads as well. Or do you mean me talking about Formation at all. You can look at my entire comment history and Formation is mentioned a lot but most responses don't mention it at all. But point taken for sure, and will add a +1 in the remove category haha

For those interested, Formation is hosting a panel on FAANG engineer levels (junior/mid/senior/etc...) tomorrow · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied ·
Yeah it's a public event, you have to provide your email in that link to get invited to the conference link, but it's for the public and all current and former Fellows at Formation! All of the panelists just really like talking about this topic haha.

For those interested, Formation is hosting a panel on FAANG engineer levels (junior/mid/senior/etc...) tomorrow · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati posted · ★ FEATURED
For those interested, Formation is hosting a panel on FAANG engineer levels (junior/mid/senior/etc...) tomorrow Hi all, some of you know me as an active commenter in this sub, I wanted to share an event Formation (disclosure: I am a co-founder) is hosting tomorrow at 8pm EST online. I'm not sure if everyone is interested but I know some people here are either on the job hunt now, or have graduated from bootcamps in the past and might find this perspective on levels, career progression, and how to approach job levels interesting. It's a topic not often talked about and we're hoping to share valuable information and answer questions directly. [https://formationenglevelspanel.splashthat.com/](https://formationenglevelspanel.splashthat.com/) We are going to chat about things like: what are engineering levels, why companies have them, how you are leveled during interviews, strategies for…

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Amazon Scraper · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied ·
Fun project. I learned a lot building scrappers for fun for a few learning projects. It's a very engineering mindset to try to do it from scratch. You have to identify reliable patterns, and build robust parsing code. The super proper way to do it is to use a more syntactical parsing framework, but if you want to really learn, try curling the page and parsing the HTML to extract the information reliably. Just make sure you are not breaking any rules!

Former Bootcampers, Share Your Job Hunt Success Story! · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied ·
I think it's starting in a few weeks so it's brand new. Ludo has been talking about it in his weekly NuCamp broadcast

Former Bootcampers, Share Your Job Hunt Success Story! · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied ·
FWIW: NuCamp is just launching a new Job Hunting "course" to add on: [https://www.nucamp.co/bootcamp-overview/job-hunting](https://www.nucamp.co/bootcamp-overview/job-hunting)

Former Bootcampers, Share Your Job Hunt Success Story! · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied ·
Can you clarify what the incorrect information is and I'm happy to correct, what "lies" are you referring to?

Advanced Bootcamp · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied ·
Current no for EU (case by case basis) but we want to, there are so many amazing engineers in the EU. We recently started working with people in Mexico, Canada and Australia. So two reasons: 1. While we have strong networks and know many people at many companies, we don't do immigration and legal advice. So we need to work with people who either want to come to the US on a country-specific "simple" visa (like Mexico (TN), Canada (TN) and Australia (E3)) or there is a strong enough job market with the big tech companies in your home country that we can help you there. Many EU countries have strong job markets. 2. Time zones. We craft your schedule every single week based on your availability, so we can support really any kind of schedule, however, sessions are small group sessions or 1-1 sessions, so overlapping availability with many people gives us flexibility to make sure you the m…

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Advanced Bootcamp · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · · edited
Nice, yeah I think a top bootcamp could be a good path, like Codesmith, HR, etc.., that require some basic programming skills first and then focus on getting that first job.

Advanced Bootcamp · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · · edited ★ FEATURED
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "advanced" and how advanced you mean. A lot of the top bootcamps do have fairly challenging entrance tests, e.g. Codesmith tests on recursion just to get in. So like if Codesmith, Hack Reactor, App Academy, all seem too easy then you can look into the career accelerator group of program. The more "career accelerator" type programs are roughly the same cost as bootcamps but focusing on people with "employable skills" get jobs, rather than teaching people things from step 0 or 0.1. I'm the co-founder of Formation.dev which is one option and then other other programs are Interview Kickstart, Scaler, Pathrise, and Outco. At Formation, most people we work with have 1-3 years of experience already (and the other programs are similar) and we work with you for as long as it takes to get a job you love (with most people targeting truly top tier companies).…

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Former Bootcampers, Share Your Job Hunt Success Story! · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · · edited ★ FEATURED
I know a lot of recent grads and grads a few years later and can list some observations. 1. This sub has a ton of people looking into Codesmith and currently in Codesmith. As it should because it's on of the top bootcamps. I have seen a few alumni pop in every now and again, typically when Codesmith is directly mentioned in the original post. I don't think alumni frequent this sub otherwise. 2. Codesmith has forked outcomes, meaning the people with experience who get 140K or more salaries highly likely are not in this sub because they are already somewhat connected to the industry. The 20% of people making under 110K who have much less experience probably are more likely to be here (or be here as alumni when they get jobs). And the job hunt is not easy for any bootcamp grad so I could see people hunkering down during the job hunt.... why spend time here. I'm sure some people will hap…

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Former Bootcampers, Share Your Job Hunt Success Story! · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied ·
u/AL_K_ love this idea, but can you add (4.) experience prior to bootcamp to the list, or have thoughts on this idea. In my research this is a major factor in outcomes and will help people compare their results!

Hack Reactor General Questions · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied ·
Yeah from the people I've known from who have done it entirely remote it's still good yeah! I believe they made some small changes but the general staff ratios, expectations, materials, are the same online.

Hack Reactor General Questions · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied ·
Sorry you are right I should be comparing the 12 week to 12 week to be fair, I was looking at 19 weeks. I'll correct this going forward.

Starting to code · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied ·
Want to know something kind of interesting about USPS mailboxes. I'm a by the books type person and I looked into this a bit because I wanted to do something similar. Depending on your mailbox if it's a communal mailbox that **legally property of USPS** then you can't put anything inside, modify, or tamper with it or it's illegal. Many mailboxes are USPS property so this isn't as crazy as it sounds!

Hack Reactor General Questions · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I would try contacting people on LinkedIn that recently graduated Hack Reactor and ask these questions - they are great questions btw. This sub reddit has a lot of Codesmith people in it and leans that way so it's great to get those answers for Codesmith. I agree with the other comment here that Codesmith is super intense (9am-8pm M-F/9am-3pm S) and has great outcomes and if you are super ambitious, hard working, and ready to hustle, it should be a top contender. RE: outcomes. So with hiring freezes and the direction of the economy, I wouldn't hold any past outcomes going forward and would choose based on the answers you get to the questions above and as the other commenter stated, go in with reasonable expectations. (I can talk more about the hiring market based on my observations and experience, but I don't want to derail the thread)

Best boot camp. · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
If I understand correctly you want to do a bootcamp without the intention of getting a job? If you are just starting college, you want to focus on getting top internships each summer as your goal and set yourself up to have the best fit company for you upon graduation lined up. A lot of bootcamps are very focused on getting a job, so most wouldn't be a good fit. Like Codesmith, for example, is one of the top bootcamps for getting a good job, but you spend most of your time building out stuff that is meant to look good on a resume, which won't help. Similar with other bootcamps focused on getting a job. I might consider something like Launch School, where you can work through things at your own pace and ramp up or down. Or maybe just get a head start with some Coursera courses? Google and Facebook have some courses through Coursera. Or work through FreeCodeCamp, OdinProject. If yo…

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Boot camps that optimize career opportunities? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Hi, depending on what you mean by coding experience and what your goals are with this job, we might be able to help at [Formation.dev](https://Formation.dev) (disclosure, I'm a co-founder). We help people get jobs at top tier companies (for example, 25% of people placed are at literally the five F, A, A, N, G, excluding Microsoft, people turning down FAANG, and other FAANG-level or better companies) and we typically work with engineers with 1-3 years of work experience to level up. We have a smaller number of people with no work experience (self taught or came from a bootcamp) but a high enough skill level to have a path to top tier companies. I need a lot more info to help assess if Formation makes sense, but we have some alignment. We work with you with our full support for as long as it takes to get a job you love, whether it's 2 months or 10 months. Whether you have a rough job hunt…

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Any bootcamp success stories? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I mean this is Reddit after all and everyone is anonymous so you should always talk to people who went to the Bootcamps and try to see how people similar to yourself progressed. Focus on the "how" and not just qualifiers like "awesome, supportive, depth", like "how" does the day to day work and really get in there. There are some very good Bootcamps that are never even mentioned here as well! 1. Codesmith has a high bar of entry, and is very intense, but if it's a good fit for you, they have very solid outcomes and very solid placement rates. They really have the process down for being competitive on the job market. 2. Rithm School is good for an intimate bootcamp with lots of instructor access. You do a mini internship with a real company/client/project. 3. Hack Reactor is fairly well rounded, hard to get into, rigorous, strong network. 4. Launch School is a monthly self paced approach…

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Stories about taking time off/quitting to practice for interviews? · r/cscareerquestionsCAD

u/michaelnovati replied ·
Ok nice, yeah sorry I see downvotes but I'm just trying to show the options, very much want to help you with advice that works for you! Leetcode premium is good! Some other resources you can check out that people I work with find useful are [https://www.structy.net/](https://www.structy.net/) and Neetcode (and Neetcode's video explanations). Good luck!

My ISA account switched companies and now my account is not found · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied ·
If you are doing everything they asked you to do in the transition and you are doing your part in good faith, I would just wait around for them to figure it out on their end. They probably will at some point. These kind of deals go through due diligence and lots of lawyers and finance people going through all the details so I suspect they will contact you at some point down the road, maybe a long time down the road.

Stories about taking time off/quitting to practice for interviews? · r/cscareerquestionsCAD

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I probably wouldn't quit entirely right now given the economy. You mentioned Leetcode so I'm going to give options for DS&A focused top tier companies. But if that's not your goal, ignore all this! If you want to go the unpaid/cheap route, I would look and practice the Blind 75 after hours. When you are feeling good, do a mock at Interviewing.io and see how you do and then re-evaluate your options. If you want to go a paid route, I know this is going to seem like a giant ad, but I'm also the co-founder of [Formation.dev](https://Formation.dev) and you should seriously look into it if you are aiming for FAANG-level companies in Canada (we support Canadians). You can prepare part time and not waste time. Don't want to say much because it will come across scammy but check it out and do your own research, and it's not cheap but it works. Other paid programs you can look at are [Outco.…

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Springboard Boot Camp · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied ·
Everything is always in between right. The "negative take" is that you are getting content similar to a Udemy course and paying to have mentors help you through it, and that's expensive! The "positive take" is that underlying content is basically free all over the internet so they want to allocate more resources to better mentors than more bootcamps (that rely on current and former students to grade work). So I think it depends on how you value their mentorship style. Like bootcamps often have many former students who just did materials helping you through it. Springboard has industry engineers who are less closely connected to the program, helping you through it.

Springboard Boot Camp · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied ·
Hi, Springboard is a little under the radar yeah! They had a big growth push a couple years ago and have been quieter since. I haven't done it personally and I don't know if they have made changes in the past few years, but their philosophy is to "specialize" in mentor support and not on content. So they work with others for content (again this was 2020ish-2021 and I believe this is still the model), for example licensing content from Colt Steele, who makes great beginner content. What they focus on is having mentors help you and review your code and the system to scale that mentorship to thousands of students while maintaining the quality. This is why they offer so many different tracks. If they can license raw content, find mentors in those areas, then they can expand to new tracks easily. I believe their "job guarantee" does require a lot of fine print, like minimums to hit and trac…

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How long does codesmith work with you until you get a job? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · · edited ★ FEATURED
There just happens to be a lot of talk about Codesmith in this sub. There is almost zero talk about Hackbright, BloomTech/Lambda School (who I know several former execs and is one of the largest bootcamps in the world), Springboard, all of which I'm fairly familiar with as well. There's a little bit of talk about Rithm, with whom I'm talking to the founder next week to catch up, and I talk about on here very neutrally no different than anyone else. I know a decent amount about CIRR and the early bootcamp founders. We're early stage, we're relatively new, as the Codesmith alumni chug along through and share their experiences I hope you can have an open mind to figuring out what we are, the painting is not done yet and I am a small part of Formation. We have a crazy awesome team of people working their hardest to help each Fellow achieve and exceed their goals. Sophie (founder) used to r…

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Does anyone know what Codesmith fellows get paid? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied ·
Company stuff is extremely complicated and varies state by state, so it's very complex and understandable.... be nice! It's actually an interesting topic: https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/what-is-a-limited-liability-company.html

Does anyone know what Codesmith fellows get paid? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Awesome thanks for adding details. I have posted extensively elsewhere but you can't get mid level FAANG SWE jobs (e.g. Google L4) with no experience. I worked at Facebook for 8 years, did a ton of early career recruiting, observed hiring committee reviews. The levels are calibrated company wide and sacred, based on people's previous scope of responsibility and not on your skill level. If your skill level is super high, you come in entry level and then get incredible performance reviews (making more comp the you would at mid level anyways). So someone with no experience trying to be a "official" mid level FAANG is doing the wrong strategy. Happy to explaon this more. People have said "but I know someone I swear"and every case is a miscommunication or misunderstanding of the level (Google's entry level is L3 for example), or based on salary (since entry level FAANG can hit $200K), or a…

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Does anyone know what Codesmith fellows get paid? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · · edited ★ FEATURED
Do people without experience not find the Codesmith residency enough on its own to build that base though or is this to try to move from the "under $110K" bucket to higher? Like the harsh way of looking at it is the Fellows are paying an extra 17K from what they thought they would to get the 120K job. The positive way is that people are investing addition resources that pay back in better jobs. Thanks for clarifying top students. So the top students who have work experience don't become fellows. Then the next tier of top students might get jobs faster. THEN the ones who don't might be fellows? The 20% over $140K base salaries generally have more experience, which is very opposite from the bottom 20% under $110K with no experience.

Does anyone know what Codesmith fellows get paid? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · · edited
The C in LLC stands for Company... why is that funny? haha. So anyways LLCs don't have stock or equity either in California. They have owners who can have different percentages, but it's so complicated to run an LLC with a ton of owners that's why C Corps exist.

Does anyone know what Codesmith fellows get paid? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied ·
Very fair, teachers are offensively underpaid in a traditional education model :( Coming from Canada where there is much less inequality, the inequality in tech is almost unreal.

Does anyone know what Codesmith fellows get paid? · r/codingbootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied ·
Yeah I heard Codesmith fellows "don't sleep".