u/stand_in_circle wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Interesting that despite it’s reputation on this sub and the flock of people who comment about it, Codesmith grads never post results in threads like this
u/michaelnovati replied · · edited ★ FEATURED
I know a lot of recent grads and grads a few years later and can list some observations.
1. This sub has a ton of people looking into Codesmith and currently in Codesmith. As it should because it's on of the top bootcamps. I have seen a few alumni pop in every now and again, typically when Codesmith is directly mentioned in the original post. I don't think alumni frequent this sub otherwise.
2. Codesmith has forked outcomes, meaning the people with experience who get 140K or more salaries highly likely are not in this sub because they are already somewhat connected to the industry. The 20% of people making under 110K who have much less experience probably are more likely to be here (or be here as alumni when they get jobs). And the job hunt is not easy for any bootcamp grad so I could see people hunkering down during the job hunt.... why spend time here. I'm sure some people will happily comment once employed. But people who get really good jobs are busy and earning those paychecks, so still less likely to be here. They do get good jobs from what I've seen, it just takes a while, and they are not always the mid level/senior, or 130K+ jobs (some are!)
3. No data should speak for itself. We have been looking at our data for a few weeks at Formation and there are many ways of looking at things that are not captured in a simple CIRR report. How do you deal with stock options? How do you fairly include signing bonuses? First year TC or recurring TC? What about unequal vesting cycles? What about performance bonus targets? I have not seen clear explanations of these in any outcomes reports and if Codesmith grads are getting mid level and senior jobs all of this comes into play. So yes, the numbers for Codesmith are audited, trustable, and significantly higher than other programs. If their numbers don't include stock then they might even be HIGHER than what CIRR says. But the base salary numbers alone don't tell the whole story of any bootcamp.