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For those interested, Formation is hosting a panel on FAANG engineer levels (junior/mid/senior/etc...) tomorrow

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u/michaelnovati posted · ★ FEATURED
For those interested, Formation is hosting a panel on FAANG engineer levels (junior/mid/senior/etc...) tomorrow Hi all, some of you know me as an active commenter in this sub, I wanted to share an event Formation (disclosure: I am a co-founder) is hosting tomorrow at 8pm EST online. I'm not sure if everyone is interested but I know some people here are either on the job hunt now, or have graduated from bootcamps in the past and might find this perspective on levels, career progression, and how to approach job levels interesting. It's a topic not often talked about and we're hoping to share valuable information and answer questions directly. [https://formationenglevelspanel.splashthat.com/](https://formationenglevelspanel.splashthat.com/) We are going to chat about things like: what are engineering levels, why companies have them, how you are leveled during interviews, strategies for applying for jobs at the right level, etc... Speakers are myself (ex-FB 8 years, E7 principal eng, hiring committees and leveling), Sophie (ex-Nextdoor 4 years, helped build iOS team), Daniel (ex-FB 8 years, ex-MSFT 10 years, ex-startups), and Hansel (Manager 3 Amazon, Bar Raiser, Professor). Anyways look forward to seeing people who might find this interesting there! If enough people find this irrelevant please comment and I will delete.

u/johnnysalami500500 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

Anyone can join?

u/michaelnovati replied ·
Yeah it's a public event, you have to provide your email in that link to get invited to the conference link, but it's for the public and all current and former Fellows at Formation! All of the panelists just really like talking about this topic haha.

u/imperatorhadrianus wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

I really think the formation promotion in this sub should be banned. If it’s not a bootcamp why advertise so heavily here?

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Hi, we work with a lot of bootcamp alumni (something like 40%, close to but less than half have been to bootcamps in the past) so I thought this might be applicable to alumni or soon to be alumni. Our advertising is similar focused and not advertised towards people looking for bootcamps. If you visit our website you might also get ads as well. Or do you mean me talking about Formation at all. You can look at my entire comment history and Formation is mentioned a lot but most responses don't mention it at all. But point taken for sure, and will add a +1 in the remove category haha

u/imperatorhadrianus wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

I really think the formation promotion in this sub should be banned. If it’s not a bootcamp why advertise so heavily here?

u/michaelnovati replied · · edited ★ FEATURED
Just FYI and for anyone else reading this, we are working on publishing more numbers so we have been crunching different stats, and around 7% of people have 0 experience (no bootcamp or no CS degree), and 70%+ have at least 1 year of professional full time SWE work experience already. We are friendly with most bootcamps and some Fellows teaching at their former bootcamps (not just Codesmith, but several). We have friendly chats with bootcamp founders about collaborations. We also work with people for an indefinite amount of time, adjusting people's work week to week, people can pause, resume, ramp up or ramp down. A bootcamp is short, intensive, structured and that is not what Formation is at all. So yeah, not a bootcamp and not trying to advertise to people who want to go to them.

u/MorningPants wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

Looking forward to it! I will be staring with Formation next month, looking forward to getting to know you all better 😊

u/michaelnovati replied ·
Nice to meet you too! Looking forward to working with you - when I find out who you really are haha.

u/MorningPants wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

Thanks for hosting the event! Lots of really interesting insights into the leveling system. I missed a few bits making dinner for my kids, will the recording be available in the follow up email that was mentioned? Looking forward to meeting you in (remote) person as well! I’ll

u/michaelnovati replied ·
We did record it, it might get sent out to people who attended, but I'll ask.