u/jhkoenig wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Different strokes for different folks.
For my computer engineering degree I took one art class (required) and one history class (required) and every single other class was math, physics, or engineering. Just about killed me, but it prepared me for a very successful career. I can
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Same here, although the engineering courses were broad, like civil engineering, mechanical engineering, chemical engineering, but only 3 courses out of 40 in my degree were not engineering
For CS though alone, courses:
- Data Structures and Algorithms 1 and 2
- Software Engineering 1 and 2
- Databases
- Web Programing
- Operating Systems
- Computer Architecture
- Human Computer Interaction
- Distributed Systems
- Thesis
- Computer Graphics
And then related:
- Calculus 1, 2, 3
- Linear Algebra
- Physics 1 and 2
- Electrical Engineering
- Electro Mechanics
- Fluid Dynamics
- Civil Engineering
- History of Computing
- Engineering Ethics
- Business for Engineers
- Engineering Design
- Chemical Engineering
And I was in an accelerating learning program for the top high school grads in all of Canada to learn this stuff as fast as possible, so if you can learn all of this in 12 weeks you have discovered a magic formula that will revolutionize humanity.
u/KAEA-12 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Not true, I spoke to hiring managers at events that thought well of WGU and stated they have indeed hire WGU graduates.
I’m not saying there won’t be hiring manager that personally think low of WGU due to their biases…but it is not a concern.
Go four years if you want 🤣
u/michaelnovatireplied·
In WGU did you do all of the above courses I posted in 6 months?
u/jhkoenig wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
That matches my experience. After a while we adopted a "no boot campers" rule, requiring applicants to have a BS in a related field to be considered. Yes, we probably miss some qualified people with this policy, but they are mixed in with so, so many underprepared applicants. Fir
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
I know a ton of industry companies that don't hire bootcamp grads for these reasons.
So bootcamp grads have gotten creative with resumes to try to get by. And companies have raised entry level experience requirements to 4 years.
Codesmith is the one that stands out where grads [tend to do this](https://www.reddit.com/r/codingbootcamp/s/QfiCldAoPA) but they also tend to not get fired - some do, but I know many that have struggled to ramp up and not found it easy to catch up, the gaps become very evident but some people are able to fill them.
u/jhkoenig wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
"Creatively" adding a college graduation is definitely playing with fire. HR can (and does) confirm the degree with a 30 second phone call to the college's registrar's office. Never heard of this person? Boom, they're fired without recourse!
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
Yeah Codesmith has a sister charity called OSLabs and that charity does background verification for your time at Codesmith plus additional time you worked on your main project afterwards.
A letter was forwarded to me and it doesn't say Codesmith anywhere. It's "X was a software engineer working on Y as part of OSLabs"
u/jhkoenig wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Yeah, most tech companies caught on to that a while ago. It doesn't circumvent the the "no boot campers" edict, nor pass as actual experience at an actual company that demanded actual productivity for actual salary.
u/michaelnovatireplied·· edited
100% agree and it's why Codesmith tend to not work at top tier tech companies and end up getting $120K jobs at non tech other companies, like Mavis Tires, who can't really tell and are happy to have a hard working ambitious engineer.