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Anyone know what's going on with CIRR? H2 2022 Results delayed, two more board members no longer working for their bootcamps - which leaves potentially just Codesmith and Launch Academy left managing CIRR

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u/michaelnovati posted · ★ FEATURED
Anyone know what's going on with CIRR? H2 2022 Results delayed, two more board members no longer working for their bootcamps - which leaves potentially just Codesmith and Launch Academy left managing CIRR Hi all, sorry for posting so much recently, but I hope it's useful! So we are all waiting for CIRR H2 2022 results to be posted. Last year the first wave came out mid September with Codesmith's results coming out at the very end of September, but now it's October already and I made some concerning observations. I have made some observations below in trying to collect the facts. I have been really on top of CIRR because the signs of this decline have been apparent for a while. It was setup as a business league from a bootcamp loan provider, and the standard was prepared by outcomes members for marketing purposes (according to one of the founding members of CIRR in a Reddit comment) . In my opinion, while I respect it, I have pushed back on claims of it being the "gold standard" that many others claim it to be and I know how important it is to a number of people considering Codesmith specifically, a stand out superstar in the CIRR world for having by far the best CIRR reports overall (factoring both placement rates and salaries). In the past year or there has been some CIRR minor turbulence: 1. In or prior to May 2022, half their board stepped down and Codesmith a was added. Leaving just 4 board members, down from 8. You can see the current list here: [https://cirr.org/about](https://cirr.org/about) 2. In November 2022, one of the board members departed Tech Elevator and no longer works there and presumably isn't a board member. 3. In May 2023, another board member departed Turing School and no longer works there and presumably isn't a board member anymore. 4. They didn't renew their domain name and the website was down for about 10 days. This leaves us in the following state: 1. Two board members that we know of left, one from Launch Academy and one from Codesmith 2. In August 2023, Tech Elevator merged operations with Hack Reactor (a former CIRR member) so presumably Tech Elevator may no longer report CIRR results as well. 3. Turing's CEO claimed that he 'didn't expect to have the resources to file CIRR reports anymore', perhaps because of the loss in 3. above. Consequences: 1. If CIRR is just run by Codesmith and Launch Academy (which has only 23 graduates in it's most recent reports vs Codesmith's 338), I really think Codesmith needs to leave an make it's own standard. Hack Reactor, Rithm, and others have made their own standards a long time ago and they are all more legally sound than CIRRs standard (in my non lawyer, personal opinion of reading all of them). 2. The industry is struggling right now. With some bootcamps shutting down, placement rates dropping, placement salaries dropping, and fewer people looking to drop everything and change careers in 12 to 16 weeks I expect more adjustments will be made. On a positive note: 1. The need for programmers isn't going anywhere, I'm excited and optimistic about what the industry will bring as tech bounces back in a new market. It's not going to be easy, but there is a lot of code yet to write. ​