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I think someone blocked me or something and this is out of context. I don't see the reply I thought I was replying to. Sorry!
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Working 50/50 from Mexico and the US · r/cscareerquestions
u/michaelnovati replied ·
If you are working for a FAANG company they will be tracking your location and no VPN or whatever will mask that. They have special access to your company issues equipment and can track your location at an operating system level and sometimes a hardware level.
what do you want to see more of on this sub? · r/cscareerquestions
u/michaelnovati replied ·
Nice yeah AMAs like this would be great!
I did a [top level Reddit one](https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/ui98mg/im_michael_i_was_a_principal_engineer_at_facebook/) a few weeks ago that was really fun on my part (other than a lot of anti-FB sentiment that was upvoted to the top :S
I know a recruiter on my team who ran FB's internship program at FB for 10 years was interested in doing one too for all the college/university people and I think this would be great here too.
How do you leave a job without burning bridges? · r/cscareerquestions
u/michaelnovati replied ·
1. Avoid being personal. If people are personally upset about you leaving, thank then for supporting you so far and reinforce your professional decision to leave.
2. Only talk about the next opportunity and next steps for you and don't say anything negative about the current company
3. Tie up loose ends and help the company in replacing your job/duties. Tell your manager first and offer to help make a smooth transition.
what do you want to see more of on this sub? · r/cscareerquestions
u/michaelnovati replied ·
I would base on the recurring questions in here, people with significant experience who can answer with an interesting point of view. Lots of stuff about interviewing, compensation, the market, what is like working at FAANG, career development, remote work.
Also AMAs with people with very unique paths. My friend Michael Sayman for example is someone very interesting. My friend Philip Su is another person that would be super interesting (tech exec and recently did podcast about working at Amazon distribution center for a few months)
NSA vs CIA · r/cscareerquestions
u/michaelnovati replied ·
NSA. Know some people from top schools that interned there. You meet a lot of bright smart other interns and it's a good career step.
To me both are cool though!
what do you want to see more of on this sub? · r/cscareerquestions
u/michaelnovati replied ·
AMAs!
Are Career Accelerators the new rush vs Bootcamps? Met 2 guys that landed jobs through it · r/codingbootcamp
u/michaelnovati replied ·
Oh sorry "what is your mission":
To help engineers from non traditional and underrepresented background break into the most impactful roles in tech.
Are Career Accelerators the new rush vs Bootcamps? Met 2 guys that landed jobs through it · r/codingbootcamp
u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Not about money no. We operate at a loss right now and I don't make a salary or any money from Formation. I own a large amount of equity and if it becomes a very successful I plan on using the proceeds to invest and help others. Made enough money from the evil large scary corporation. We pay mentors so they take sessions seriously, just not $300 an hour and a lot don't want to get paid, but we have to pay people fairly for compliance and doing things by the books.
Yeah +1 to helping people find what they want and supporting them. See we can agree on that!
Are Career Accelerators the new rush vs Bootcamps? Met 2 guys that landed jobs through it · r/codingbootcamp
u/michaelnovati replied · · edited ★ FEATURED
Hey I love your bluntness and edge. Something at Formation we haven't figured out is how to talk about mentors. We have many mentors that are like paid (the equivalent of) '$300+ an hour at their day jobs' and they work do mentorship with us for the mission. Genuinely very unique in industry mentors. And then we try to make sure people get sessions with many mentors and get more from the right people. I think this is a good way to work around a lot of the problems you mention.
RE: Facebook, I can comment on my experience. I left Facebook after eight years, the stock is up 100X since I started so financially it worked out, I built really cool things, met a lot of amazing friends who are doing awesome things outside of Facebook today, I had some life changing experiences, I met my partner!, I learned product insights you can't learn anywhere else. I left right after the 2016 election when…
Freemote has been around for over a year now. I'm curious, have any of you made it through the program and been able to make a living based on what you've learned? · r/codingbootcamp
u/michaelnovati replied ·
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u/michaelnovati posted · · edited ★ FEATURED
Expanding access: Formation's coding benchmarking assessment to see if you are ready for FAANG DS&A interviews (free 45 min CodeSignal test)
Hi all, I shared this assessment with a smaller sub last week and wanted to expand the early-access here if that's ok!
We are working on a free assessment to help people gauge if they are ready or not for FAANG interviews. I've been hanging out here for a while now and I'm hoping it will be really useful for people!
Background: our team has 5 ex-FB engineers with average 8 years each at FB, commutatively thousands of interviews, trained hundreds of interviewers, so we feel qualified in the FB DS&A bar.
To Try it out, go to [https://formation.dev/join/assessment](https://formation.dev/join/assessment) and we will automatically/instantly send you a personal CodeSignal link to the test.
Let me know if you have feedback or comments about it and esp…
Are Career Accelerators the new rush vs Bootcamps? Met 2 guys that landed jobs through it · r/codingbootcamp
u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Yeah possibly we can, bootcamp grads coming to Formation is a small percentage but it happens. Our training itself is full or part time, it's scales to whatever your schedule is.
Yeah we work with you 1-1 to craft your story, help you find the right jobs, refer you where possible, etc... So I'm sure there is some value in your 8 years to get credit for.
It could be a good follow on to a free bootcamp yeah, the main hurdle is the bar is pretty high to enter. Like I said, most people have work experience already, but if you can show you can learn a lot on your own and do well on that assessment for example, we can work with you and be effective.
In terms of practical work, for people with no experience, we have a production-derived codebase, tens of thousands of lines, and you get code reviews from solid engineers. This is very minimal for a resume, but it gives people the confidence t…
Are Career Accelerators the new rush vs Bootcamps? Met 2 guys that landed jobs through it · r/codingbootcamp
u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Yeah I would look at something like that, Codesmith, Formation and those accelerators above.
We have this assessment at Formation you can do to help guage where you are too. If you get a very low score definitely consider the more bootcamp style programs. If you get a high score you can probably lean towards interview prep.
https://formation.dev/join/assessment
Are Career Accelerators the new rush vs Bootcamps? Met 2 guys that landed jobs through it · r/codingbootcamp
u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Hmm. I co founded Formation.dev and people sometimes call us a career accelerator amongst other things. Quite frankly we are quite unique so this is an edge case. We work with people with 1 to 3 years typically of professional experience to make a leap to a top tier company.
But would you call Outco, Pathrise, and Interview Kickstart career accelerators? I hear that used for these and I want to make sure we're talking about the same thing.
The Headstarter sounds like it's in the bootcamp bucket based on their website. It sounds like Codesmith demographic, which is people typically without professional experience.
Codesmith or DevMountain? · r/codingbootcamp
u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Yeah excellent point! It is by far the best results compared to other bootcamps, and I actually think their program and results are very good (other than the work experience and mid level thing... sorry I have to qualify this every time so this statement is not quoted out of context).
Maybe Codesmith should just go the HackReactor route and publish their own audited results. I don't think they really need CIRR anymore as a stamp of approval. It's kind of like the Olympics where one country keeps winning everything and the other countries don't want to play anymore haha. If all the other bootcamps stopped reporting for example, that's what would happen.
Sorry if I came/or come across harsh on CIRR, I'm like truly very open minded to arguments both sides and love this discussion!
Codesmith or DevMountain? · r/codingbootcamp
u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
HackReactor is another program with audited results (not following CIRR because of some drama with CIRR, but audited), where some cohorts have six figure medians as well. Other than Codesmith's fake project work framed as months of experience and the whole mid level claim that I can talk about for days, I think Codesmith had better results than HackReactor for a lot of people who haven't done much coding yet.
Formation isn't a bootcamp or school and doesn't have a "program", fixed dates, cohorts, etc... so we haven't figured out the best way to talk about results. The median base salary of the past 12 months (since May 1, 2021) is $138k and TC is much higher when factoring in stock (usually in the tens of k per year) and bonuses (5 or 6 figures). But many people start Formation making a good salary (sometimes 6 figures already) already so apples and oranges. If you want to research, tal…
Codesmith or DevMountain? · r/codingbootcamp
u/michaelnovati replied · · edited
No problem, happy to help! that sounds like a good plan!
Codesmith or DevMountain? · r/codingbootcamp
u/michaelnovati replied · · edited ★ FEATURED
Hey u/aetrides
Codesmith full bootcamp program is 12 weeks and is upfront $19,950 paid over 8 months or so. But they have various loans and scholarships to look into to spread it out further.
Formation doesn't have a bootcamp program, it's kind of like a personal trainer program. So we work with people however long it takes to get a job, typically 4 to 6 months. Our price varies from 9% to 15% of your new base salary (deferred until after you start your new job) depending on how much work you need and experience you have. Our median BASE salary for the past 12 months (since May 1, 2021) is $138K, so about $12,420 to $20,700?
So the programs are entirely different and we actually work with people who both come DIRECTLY FROM Codesmith to us and people who get jobs after Codesmith (amongst many other bootcamps) and then come to us.
People starting at zero fall in the bucket that have do…
Codesmith or DevMountain? · r/codingbootcamp
u/michaelnovati replied · · edited ★ FEATURED
That seems like a long time, you might be able to get into Codesmith sooner. Most bootcamps might say "waitlist" or "closed" but they have room still. Can't hurt to ask.
If you want to gauge your DS&A alone, we made this 45 assessment you can do from Formation: [https://formation.dev/join/assessment](https://formation.dev/join/assessment)
Codesmith or DevMountain? · r/codingbootcamp
u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Hi, Codesmith is probably going to be better if you know how to code already, but it's still a bootcamp that covers all the basics that you might already know, so if you have to wait three months to do it, the lost time might not be worth it. What did you mean by wait three months?
If your skill level for DS&A is already at a high enough bar, look at Formation.dev as well. I'm co-founder so obviously biased, but if you do meet that bar it's probably the most effective (do your own research and don't trust me!)
If you aren't at that level yet then Codesmith sounds like it would be a better choice for you than DevMountain if you can start it at roughly the same time.
Another option to think about if you're more advanced is to do volunteer work at something like Hack4LA to get real project work. Codesmith's project work is with peers, no PMs, no designers, and not many real users, so wo…
How in the world is being able to flip a 2D matrix supposed to determine your ability to be a senior software engineer? · r/cscareerquestions
u/michaelnovati replied ·
Lots of the commenters are commenting on the specific question, I can comment on why these questions are asked in interviews. I did hundreds of interviews at FB, trained interviewers, and people I work with now have also done hundreds of interviews and trained interviewers at FB.
So the TLDR: goals is consistent interviews, environments and questions any engineer can do, and extracting best signal quality possible in several areas.
I can speak to the FB philosophy on this. Over a set of different types of interviews a company is collecting a bunch of "signals". They are trying to get the highest quality "signal" they can from an in interview, which means the interviewer can confidently compare what they observed to dozens of other people who have done the same interview. An analogy to this is cell phone receptions. The quality of the signal is different from the connection speed. You…
whats the average no of commits you make to the company repo you're working on per month? · r/cscareerquestions
u/michaelnovati replied ·
Wow lots of negativity towards this. Maybe my situation is unique then. Facebook stock 100X from when I joined and I never have to work again if I wanted, I made lifelong friends, I solved some really hard and interesting technical problems that I will talk about forever. I feel like some people out there would think that is worth it.
I understand most people would find this not s great choice, but there’s such harsh judgment for people that would.
whats the average no of commits you make to the company repo you're working on per month? · r/cscareerquestions
u/michaelnovati replied ·
I'm a to each their own camp, I think it's a path for some people! I'm very satisfied with my life and I don't sit in a room coding all day (at least from my perspective :P)
whats the average no of commits you make to the company repo you're working on per month? · r/cscareerquestions
u/michaelnovati replied ·
Very dysfunctional :P
Facebook created the "coding machine" archetype for me as I was promoted to E7 so I was doing something but I would agree that many people, including myself, don't think this is a recommended path to success.
whats the average no of commits you make to the company repo you're working on per month? · r/cscareerquestions
u/michaelnovati replied ·
Maybe about 10 to 20 a day yeah on average, 365 days a year. [http://github.com/mnovati](http://github.com/mnovati)
But as someone pointed out, there are commits of all shapes and sizes and the number doesn't mean much.
Over time you can tell who is meaningfully moving the codebase and products forward. People who truly commit so much code that they move the company forward in some way are indeed very valuable - regardless of the shape and size - but there are equally and more impactful people that might commit almost no code!
Incoming freshman to college majoring in cs, how would i land myself an internship this summer? · r/cscareerquestions
u/michaelnovati replied ·
u/Zubyking u/Aggravating-File-580
I can go into more depth yeah. So the goal is to talk face to face (or online equivalent) with a recruiter which means the companies have to invest in having a recruiter dedicated to that school. So it's not so much "the top schools" but the schools they recruit heavily at.
As a rule of thumb, the top 10 to 11 here plus the ivy league schools are heavily recruited at: [https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-science-schools/computer-science-rankings](https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-science-schools/computer-science-rankings)
That said, they also recruit heavily at all kinds of other school for different reasons.
You can also try messaging "early career recruiters" (they are sometimes called university recruiters, but due to some laws in California and a focus on diversity, the term has changed to "early career", so look for b…
Incoming freshman to college majoring in cs, how would i land myself an internship this summer? · r/cscareerquestions
u/michaelnovati replied ·
What school? If you are at a top school I would recommend this:
1. Study data structures and algos on your own outside of school, e.g. Leetcode, Neetcode, etc...
2. Talk to recruiters during campus events and push hard to convince them you are ready for interviews. If you target specific companies, build some projects on their APIs and and look for other hooks to get an in with the recruiters from those companies.
3. Fallback: work for a professor for cheap/free/scholarship. Can be enough on a resume to get an internship next summer.
What content should I read for Distributed Systems and System Design? · r/cscareerquestions
u/michaelnovati replied ·
RE: system design interviews, this is a really good interview guide from a Reddit senior engineer with 10+ years experience: [https://formation.dev/blog/how-to-prepare-for-a-system-design-interview-and-pass-it/](https://formation.dev/blog/how-to-prepare-for-a-system-design-interview-and-pass-it/)
Oregon State Web Dev Bootcamp Quality · r/codingbootcamp
u/michaelnovati replied ·
FWIW U2 (owner of Trilogy) bought Edx and Edx hosts MitX
Sound like conspiracy theories but facts lol.
If you attended (or are thinking of attending) a bootcamp, did you have any prior professional programming experience? · r/codingbootcamp
u/michaelnovati replied ·
I would say yes if it was related to your job, but good feedback, I can't change it now.
If you attended (or are thinking of attending) a bootcamp, did you have any prior professional programming experience? · r/codingbootcamp
u/michaelnovati posted ·
If you attended (or are thinking of attending) a bootcamp, did you have any prior professional programming experience?
I was talking to someone recently who mentioned that a non-trivial number of people in their bootcamp had already worked as a software engineer, QA engineer, data engineer, freelance (with paid active projects), internship, etc... and I wanted to get a sense of how common this was.
Seems like you all are looking at a wide variety of bootcamps and this group would be a good place to get a broad sample. I hope this is also useful for people with zero experience to gauge how many of their peers would already have had some!
[View Poll](https://www.reddit.com/poll/v0i147)
Why companies don't retain talent? · r/cscareerquestions
u/michaelnovati replied ·
I can answer this from what I saw at Facebook over 8 years. I was an IC but I was involved in discussions around comp for internal vs outside engineers and talked to several execs about this. Facebook didn't do (from 2009-2017) retention adjustments. I won't talk about anything confidential, but just at a high level.
1. If you make offers to retain one person, it creates a precedence. Now other people are encouraged to get outside offers, or threaten to leave. Netflix has a culture that supports this idea, but many companies don't and they would rather have everyone 100% focused on work.
2. Fairness. If one or some people get some kind of adjustment, then their compensation might not be fair compared to similarly performing people who are not threatening to leave. At Facebook, fair compensation is the number one goal. It's almost impossible to pull off because of personal circumstances…
University of Birmingham - Bootcamp. Trinity College. · r/codingbootcamp
u/michaelnovati replied ·
Trilogy runs bootcamps for a lot of the top schools. They are owned by a large American company called U2. There is a lot of mixed reviews about Trilogy. People think they are getting a "University of Austin CS Degree" (which is a top 10 CS school) but the program is really very similar for all Trilogy bootcamps at all the schools. I think the program itself is comparable to other bootcamps, and I won't comment on that, but just a suggestion to look carefully into Trilogy and the programs they offer at dozens of other schools.
Do internships count as YOE? · r/cscareerquestions
u/michaelnovati replied ·
Sorry I left that out, definitely put the proper dates on your resume!!
I'm a call if you are asked "How many years work experience do you have?" try saying "I have 3 internships at A, B, C" and then let the recruiter decide what they think that means to them in terms of experience. For a lot of people that might be sufficient. If you say 9 months, it sounds like you might have has one job you got fired from after only 9 months. In general I would always qualify the experience instead of just saying a number.... unless you have many many years of experience.
Do internships count as YOE? · r/cscareerquestions
u/michaelnovati replied · · edited
If it was me, I would clearly label them as internships, apply for jobs with 3+ years of experience requirements (if this was in the USA), and tell the recruiter "I did three internships at A, B, C" and avoid saying the word "year of experience". (EDIT: avoid saying years in a call, but have the proper dates on resume itself)
in the USA market right now there are so many bootcamps graduates that are coached to exaggerate their experience, so this is a tough questions. There's one bootcamp where the alumni often have 6 to 18 months of "software engineer" employment experience at a "company" which is actually a 6 week open source group project. As a result, a lot of jobs just ask for 4+ years of experience but when I talk to the hiring managers, they just want someone who can competently code from day 1.
So on the one hand you are doing yourself a disservice not counting the internships…
Hack Reactor and ThinkfulHQ opinions? · r/codingbootcamp
u/michaelnovati replied ·
Nothing against Hack Reactor but just look more into the 95% placement rate.
This outcomes report PDF from their outcomes page has about 80% on time graduation rate and 75% of grads successfully placed. So much lower than 95%
https://assets.ctfassets.net/yr4qj72ki4ky/7oRKX5s1dT4NwdNFuql36K/b2f891b6afdfa50f865fee8bbabe1d0d/2021_1__GRAD_FINAL__1_.pdf
Formation FAANG-level DS&A assessment preview/sneak peak for this subreddit · r/codingbootcamp
u/michaelnovati posted · · edited ★ FEATURED
Formation FAANG-level DS&A assessment preview/sneak peak for this subreddit
Hi all, been hanging around this community for a while and enjoyed some great discussions.
One of the most common questions here by far is "should I join a coding bootcamp" or "should I join X coding bootcamp" and people seem to have a hard time gauging their skills.
We created this assessment at Formation.dev that we are testing out making public and wanted to invite anyone to try it. It's a CodeSignal based assessment that gauges your DS&A skills and helps you benchmark where you are at. If you do extremely well your raw skills might be almost strong enough already to interview with some practice! If you are completely lost here, bootcamp might be a great option.
[https://formation.dev/join/assessment](https://formation.dev/join/assessment)
Please let me know any feedback you have! I want to launch this…
Codesmith Full Time Immersive · r/codingbootcamp
u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Give yourself 3 - 6 months of learning on your own with CSX, and other online sources... CSX is ok but a little light when I took a look.
Highly recommend CSPrep to get a taste of what you are in for If you go all in it will be very intense for the 12 weeks.
And then leave 6+ months to get a job afterwards to be safe. About 90% finish on time and 80% of graduates get jobs in 6 month. So depending on your risk tolerance, factor that in. If you are 100% in starting earlier is better.
Ex-FAANGs, what are you doing now? · r/cscareerquestions
u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Hey Pentatonic, nice to meet you.
If you are already a bit technical (I don't know what exactly you are doing, but I could imagine some scripting and/or DB querying) I would start with some online courses first - which is what it sounds like you are doing!
Formation isn't a bootcamp and we work with people with typically 1 - 3 years of professional coding experience. Maybe 5 to 10% of people have no experience, and we can work with you if your skills are at a certain bar... so it's possible but more of a special case. We work on data structures and algorithms, take home projects, live coding, and a little bit of hands on simulated work if you need it.
Why it works so well, three things:
1. We work with unconditionally until you get that top tier job. So if you are driven and hard working, then whether it takes 1 month or 10 months, we are working super hard with you every day. The…
Ex-FAANGs, what are you doing now? · r/cscareerquestions
u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
👋, I was Facebook 2009 to 2017. Went from intern to E7 level (principal) software engineer. Went from 200-something engineers to somewhere around 10,000 when I left. The company's valuation increased over 100X (until the recent decline).
The world changed a lot during this time.
I was burned out and left a little too late. After leaving, I got married, and my wife (former Nextdoor) started a free iOS coding bootcamp, completely out of pocket. She had mentored at a bunch of bootcamps and they were not cutting it. It was small but the students all went on to do pretty awesome things, they are now at LinkedIn, Apple, Facebook, Google, and more!
I have a passion for mentoring as well so I joined her about 2 years later, we raised funding, and started building out a more scaled up, paid, training and coaching service called Formation ([formation.dev](https://formation.dev)) . Our mission…
New Grad no job… Is Bootcamp a good Option? · r/codingbootcamp
u/michaelnovati replied ·
Nice, thanks for clarification! Yeah that definitely is good context.
New Grad no job… Is Bootcamp a good Option? · r/codingbootcamp
u/michaelnovati replied ·
CS grads going to bootcamps after / near the end of degree bias their results right now. The people don't really need a bootcamp to get a job, it can help them, but it's not the most efficient way, and the job outcomes are not as good as they could be. But I completely agree that CS grads tend to do better at bootcamps in outcomes than other people in bootcamps.
New Grad no job… Is Bootcamp a good Option? · r/codingbootcamp
u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I started Formation.dev and I would check it out and compare it to other options. We've worked with some CS grads effectively in a similar position. We typically work with people with more experience (\~1-3 years work experience), but if your skills are at a certain level it could be a good fit. If they aren't I would consider a bootcamp.
RE: your question. People who get the best jobs out of bootcamps typically have some experience or a CS degree, so if you do go the bootcamp route I think you have a better chance of success.
As an alternative, while cranking out job applications, try building out and launching a product that people use, even if they try it once and never again. Getting real people using something and treating it like a mini-company rather than a project, can help you a bit. Devote many hours a day to this.
And finally, +1 you are correct that it's tough without in…
NuCamp · r/codingbootcamp
u/michaelnovati replied ·
No didn't attend. They use a third party learning portal I've briefly looked out from the outside but don't know much no. It wasn't around when I was at Facebook :P
Need help finding a client for bootcamp project · r/codingbootcamp
u/michaelnovati replied ·
This is kind of cool, which bootcamp? Try posting on Upwork or Fiverr and charging a fairly low rate.
I understand ISAs work for tuition, but what about regular bills? · r/codingbootcamp
u/michaelnovati replied · · edited
This is one of the big unsolved problems with Bootcamps right now. The program is a fixed length and people work really hard to get their finances in order to finish the bootcamp. They look at CIRR results and feel like there is a 90% chance of getting a job within six months, and then they cross their fingers and go for it. It can get extremely stressful for people.
Lambda School (now Bloomtech) did an experiment with cost of living stipends that get paid back afterwards. Loans are another way. It gets a little messy if you have a job guarantee on the tuition but not on the cost of living loan.
From what I've seen for people I've worked with who didn't have jobs, people have lived with family, relied on their partner's income, worked gig economy jobs. I would try to find ways of adding to your savings even if you get a loan to cover cost of living. Especially in the job market right n…
Dev Job after coding BootCamp · r/codingbootcamp
u/michaelnovati replied ·
This is a very common path and I see all the time in my work. It's why I'm so middle road on bootcamps. I see people every day who have almost the same path as this \^\^\^ get into the top tier FAANG-level companies they want, it just takes a couple years and ongoing training. Bootcamps that imply you can reasonably get FAANG jobs in 3 months are always suspicious.
currently looking to do a bootcamp and need some help · r/codingbootcamp
u/michaelnovati replied ·
Yeah lots of agreement here. Highly depends on a lot of things. I know self taught people with great fundamentals and they just need to connect some dots (a few months still but like definitely faster than a degree) to get pretty close to a CS-degree level theory. I also know self taught people who don't know any theory and it tends to take longer, as expected, to get interview ready and it feels more painful and confusing along the way.
In terms of practical skills, it's really those internships that make a difference. University of Waterloo is the best case study - people do SIX LEGIT internships in their degree and it takes 5 years to complete instead of 4 years. People come out almost at a Facebook E4 level (even though they are hired as E3 and typically progress to E4 quickly).
I could see a bootcamp grad being able to hit the group running faster than a CS college grad that has…
currently looking to do a bootcamp and need some help · r/codingbootcamp
u/michaelnovati replied ·
As a ex-Facebook E7 level principal engineer who has interviewed hundreds of people and now coach and mentor a lot of people who were bootcamp grads in the past, have two other E7+ engineers on my team, and two other 8+ year ex-Facebook engineers who trained interviewers at Facebook, as well as a 3 ex-Facebook recruiters, 1 of which was there for 10 years and ran the internship program, I can give my stance on this.
Which is fairly middle of the road and not exciting haha. It DOES depend on the person as pfistergood mentioned.
Doing a top tier CS degree is probably the best path for someone in high school. You get to meet people from all different backgrounds who will go to other top tier companies in different fields. You get a broad education and do things for the sake of learning and not just getting a job. Most importantly you'll do at least two internships and get experience for n…