No CIRR 2024-25 reports? Never taken this long for them to come out, and CIRR did not respond within 2 days to my request for comment prior to publication of this.

No CIRR 2024-25 reports? Never taken this long for them to come out, and CIRR did not respond within 2 days to my request for comment prior to publication of this. I'm going to call it a wrap on CIRR, the self proclaimed "gold standard" of bootcamp stats. I'll I'm going to say it that I think it's ridiculous how when the times are good, bootcamps are throwing around CIRR as proof of their excellence. And then when times are bad, they are fuzzing the numbers (Codesmith's report has so many people who did not respond with placement information and they counted because of LinkedIn, that the integrity of the reports is garbage now in my opinion.... or Codesmith publishing a press release that CIRR verified "85-90% of graduates placed within 12 months" - which isn't even verifiable with CIRR). I hope all of you who yelled at me over and over and over, with anonymous now-banned accounts, just personally attacking me relentlessly, about how CIRR proves bootcamps like Codesmith are the best take a long hard look at what happened and think next time you see the next "CIRR"-like organization come up and before you drink the Kool-aid. I know I come across very critical but my heart is in the right place here, I'm trying to help people navigate this messed up industry. FAIRNESS NOTES: \- CIRR responded to me confirming their guidelines about a month ago and after confirming them, I filed a complaint against Codesmith for violating them on their website. CIRR has not responded to me about this complaint. \- I told CIRR I was going to post about the lack of 2024 reports two days ago and they did not reply to me request for comment.

I can clarify that, sorry I have a felling this will be long but it's important details IMO to make sure my opinions are clear. So "fuzzing the numbers" doesn't mean intentional deception, but it means representing the numbers in a better light than they are. So by that definition - yes, CIRR was created through a marketing lens to promote bootcamps and it was designed to be rigorous enough to build trust, but also marketing-tilted enough to present numbers in a good light. For example, there is a number that's like 'median salary'. But the only absolute number of people is the number of graduates and you have to chip away at that to get to the actual number of people in the people. E.g illustrative numbers: 100 people considered in the report, 90% graduated, 10% self employed, 5% not looking for jobs. 60% of what's left actually report income. So right off the bat the salaries only include like less than half the people. So it's not really a median of all people who started at all. Companies are required to put the "percentage of people reported" immediately beside such claims but Codesmith certainly doesn't. I reported this and CIRR doesn't seem to care. In fact Codesmith deviated from CIRR and provided data along side CIRR results that did not follow the methodology. When their CIRR results were the best of the best they shoved it our faces and when they started to slip they started providing non-CIRR data alongside CIRR to try to tread water. I've been carefully reviewing every report for years and reporting on here about them and just get attacked from Codesmith on a number of those posts. So we need to hold them accountable and shove it in peoples' faces when the results suck too. Someone told me this is "kicking them when they are down"... well that's what they get for their behavior when they were up.... can't have it both ways because it's not fair to the student. So the ultimate problem with CIRR is that it was never created to help students as the priority. It was created to market and legitimize bootcamps and for loan providers to have standardized data to compare bootcamps on in providing loans. Launch School traces every single outcome and post that data on their website and Launch School is not a member of CIRR.... and that is arguably the most transparent result.

Still no response or update from CIRR. I'm flip the table pissed off here how much people shoved CIRR down our throats when it was convenient for them, but the second its not, it just fades away without a comment or an update or a post or a goodbye... People wonder why this industry has such a shitty reputation... well when even the people claiming to be the best, the gold standard, the most transparent, better than everyone else, the solution... end up being another part of the problem, it just disillusions everyone remaining. Well I'm not going anywhere but maybe this sub will just be me in the end lol.

False. You clearly don't understand this unique market: both what I do and why I do it and what it's like to be a prospective student. I'm sorry for pissing off all the SEO and Reddit Marketing people who manipulate this space.

Yeah they came out the first week of April 2025. So at this point it's irrelevant. It doesn't even matter what happened to 2024 graduates anymore. It's 2 years later and the bootcamp market is dead. It's not fair that these organizations don't close up on a positive good bye and just disappear into nothing. Rithm and Launch Academy and Epicodus has just fond goodbyes. This is just pathetic.

Still no response from CIRR after a good week. Such an embarrassment. They should shut down on a positive note and say goodbye and wrap things up. After years are calling itself the gold standard and calling themselves a guiding like for students everywhere. If they do come back they do not deserve any credibility.