No CIRR 2024-25 reports? Never taken this long for them to come out, and CIRR did not respond within 2 days to my request for comment prior to publication of this.

I can clarify that, sorry I have a felling this will be long but it's important details IMO to make sure my opinions are clear. So "fuzzing the numbers" doesn't mean intentional deception, but it means representing the numbers in a better light than they are. So by that definition - yes, CIRR was created through a marketing lens to promote bootcamps and it was designed to be rigorous enough to build trust, but also marketing-tilted enough to present numbers in a good light. For example, there is a number that's like 'median salary'. But the only absolute number of people is the number of graduates and you have to chip away at that to get to the actual number of people in the people. E.g illustrative numbers: 100 people considered in the report, 90% graduated, 10% self employed, 5% not looking for jobs. 60% of what's left actually report income. So right off the bat the salaries only include like less than half the people. So it's not really a median of all people who started at all. Companies are required to put the "percentage of people reported" immediately beside such claims but Codesmith certainly doesn't. I reported this and CIRR doesn't seem to care. In fact Codesmith deviated from CIRR and provided data along side CIRR results that did not follow the methodology. When their CIRR results were the best of the best they shoved it our faces and when they started to slip they started providing non-CIRR data alongside CIRR to try to tread water. I've been carefully reviewing every report for years and reporting on here about them and just get attacked from Codesmith on a number of those posts. So we need to hold them accountable and shove it in peoples' faces when the results suck too. Someone told me this is "kicking them when they are down"... well that's what they get for their behavior when they were up.... can't have it both ways because it's not fair to the student. So the ultimate problem with CIRR is that it was never created to help students as the priority. It was created to market and legitimize bootcamps and for loan providers to have standardized data to compare bootcamps on in providing loans. Launch School traces every single outcome and post that data on their website and Launch School is not a member of CIRR.... and that is arguably the most transparent result.