There are a lot of people who start Triple Ten, and then offer their referral codes (which they get paid $500 if you sign up) and then they disappear.
We're missing both software engineer placements AND software engineering refunds - there is a lack of evidence of both of those. Triple Ten's data doesn't give any insight into how many SWEs start and how many actually get jobs.
u/ObservantLemur0920 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Thank you for the insight. In this case, are there any that are worthwhile?
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Right now I'm seeing success be more about YOU than about the program. If you have a raw aptitude for programming, extreme grit and ambition and you will not give up, about 12 to 18 months of savings to live off of, and either a STEM degree or an arts degree from a top 20-40 college.
Then I would start looking into it as an option.
But otherwise, I wouldn't even start looking. I would still explore programming with free courses on Coursera and keep the option open down the road. AI changes things but no one specifically what jobs that might result in, and being good at coding can help at a lot of jobs. But I would be thinking 3-5 years and not a couple months bootcamp.
u/ObservantLemur0920 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I’ve got an associates and enough credit to where it would only take me about 1.5 years to get a degree. Would it be worth looking into getting my computer science degree, or something along the lines? I’d like to get into cybersecurity. I’m confused as to why people think it won
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Yeah, I would do a CS degree and try to get an internship before you graduate.
It still won't be easy but it will be easier.
The best school possible.
u/Zestyclose-Level1871 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
>***"***Triple Ten's data doesn't give any insight into how many SWEs start and how many actually get jobs.***"***
This level of unaccountability is disheartening but not unexpected.
How many of their grads--if actually DID get placement at FAANG or elsewhere in industry--were
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Yeah that's part 2 and it's tough. Layoffs happen for all kinds of reasons. At Formation (not bootcamp), we see people occasionally get laid off and a number of people come back and pay again (with a discount) to do Formation again and do us this is a very strong sign of those people finding value.
It's very hard to have data about it though. Codesmith has a 'where are they now' report that is really not useful. I think it said 100% of respondents got promotions in 5 years - but who exactly did they send this to? What defined a promotion? I know for a fact people also got laid off, so how was that factored in?
Like not to be too harsh, like it's just a hard problem because when people leave, there's only so much you can do.
But +1 to the journey just BEGINNING with a job post bootcamp, and there will be lower lows and higher highs to come.
I do wish there was a better way though for bootcamps, because when I look non-scientifically, I see people who over-leveled into their first job (by lying or exaggerating or misrepresenting) job hop a lot and have many challenges unique to that situation VS taking a lower paying entry level job and working your way through the system over a few years.