u/Zestyclose-Level1871 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
>***"***Triple Ten's data doesn't give any insight into how many SWEs start and how many actually get jobs.***"*** This level of unaccountability is disheartening but not unexpected. How many of their grads--if actually DID get placement at FAANG or elsewhere in industry--were
u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Yeah that's part 2 and it's tough. Layoffs happen for all kinds of reasons. At Formation (not bootcamp), we see people occasionally get laid off and a number of people come back and pay again (with a discount) to do Formation again and do us this is a very strong sign of those people finding value.
It's very hard to have data about it though. Codesmith has a 'where are they now' report that is really not useful. I think it said 100% of respondents got promotions in 5 years - but who exactly did they send this to? What defined a promotion? I know for a fact people also got laid off, so how was that factored in?
Like not to be too harsh, like it's just a hard problem because when people leave, there's only so much you can do.
But +1 to the journey just BEGINNING with a job post bootcamp, and there will be lower lows and higher highs to come.
I do wish there was a better way though for bootcamps, because when I look non-scientifically, I see people who over-leveled into their first job (by lying or exaggerating or misrepresenting) job hop a lot and have many challenges unique to that situation VS taking a lower paying entry level job and working your way through the system over a few years.