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Council on Integrity in Results Reporting (CIRR) 2022-2023 outcomes reports & Board AMA

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u/metalreflectslime wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

81% of Codesmith's full-time remote cohorts placed.

u/michaelnovati replied · · edited
I'm going to publish a reverse engineered H2 2022 report for Codesmith for 90 and 180 days.
u/michaelnovati replied · DELETED · archived copy
Q: Why didn't schools publish H2 2022 outcomes like normal 6 months ago, followed by "new" 2022 full year outcomes six months later? I'm working on a quick analysis of some of the 2022 year outcomes because one can reverse engineer H2 2022 given H1 2022 and full year 2022, and H2 shows some very concerning trends that are masked by 2022 full year outcomes. Followup: Given these trends why not make schools publish H2 2022 outcomes as we transition to this new standard?

u/SimilarGlass5 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

You're gunna do this for the other organizations in this CIRR report too? Or is this another one of your "impartial" posts about Codesmith?

u/michaelnovati replied ·
I was going to yeah, but Hactiv8 already published H2 2022 reports and the Code Platoon only has 15 graduates in ALL of 2022 so it doesn't seem worth it.

u/WagonBashers wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

\*yawn\* Michael has addressed this so many times before.

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Consistency and integrity always triumph over trolling so I'll keep doing my thing. My priority is Formation's Fellows. We are approaching 10 Meta offers in 2024 and a few of them were in the 7 figures with their stock, so trolls be trolls and I'm busy with more impactful things and trying my hardest to make a difference in people's lives, not warming the heart of a Reddit troll. All I have is my integrity and I stand up for my integrity.

u/SimilarGlass5 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

"busy with more impactful things" ? Lol. You spend every hour of your day (even it would appear when you're on holiday) on Reddit posting about a Codesmith, anyone looking at your profile can see this and that you have an unhealthy obsession with them and this platform, that alon

u/michaelnovati replied · · edited ★ FEATURED
It's extremely condescending for you to think you know who I am better than me and what my company does better than me. It's fair game to ask me questions and challenge my answers, but not to personally attack me and who I am. If you think I spend a lot of time on Reddit, then you should see how much I get done at Formation, it's 100X more. Just imagine what an engineer that prolific can accomplish. If you don't believe me, that's on you, you've seen my GitHub and comments about how responsive I am 24/7 to Formation Fellows as the priority over Reddit and other people. I'm exceptionally good at what I do. I was THE number ONE code producer at the ENTIRE COMPANY of Meta. I left 7 years ago and I'm still in the top 30 or something - that's how far ahead I was even when I left. You have absolutely no right to judge me and what I do just because your imagination is limited to what you can do and the people around you do and you just don't know what it's like to work with people of this caliber.

u/WagonBashers wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

:)

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Several\_Top is no longer a mod of r/Codesmith as of today. Another moderator said this announcing the sub: "Hey everyone! My name is \[A\] and I am a CSX student. I work full-time as a remote analyst. I discovered Codesmith through Reddit and also through a friend who has gone through the program. We saw that there wasn’t a subreddit for Codesmith so myself and a few others have started r/codesmith. We want to invite everyone to join, especially those who are new to Codesmith like me!" And stated that it's not affiliated with Codesmith at all. Several\_Top stated that they were an alumni of Codesmith and has shared inside information about Codesmith in the past (leaked screenshot from an [Alumni presentation](https://www.reddit.com/r/codingbootcamp/comments/1apcrg5/83_of_job_offers_from_codesmith_in_2023_were/) - , so being a founding moderator of the sub would look bad and go against what \[A\] said that this was a bottoms up community of people new to Codesmith.

u/Status-Remove559 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

dude, go to therapy and spare us pls.

u/michaelnovati replied ·
Was bullied my whole childhood, and had major confidence issues. I had to build self confidence by acknowledging the things I'm good and bad at based on facts and not what's in my head, and then not feeling bad acknowledging to myself that I'm good at something. In fact, this whole process is why I have such strong views on facts and imposter syndrome that I talk about a lot. Some of the most powerful people in the world entrusted me as the most reliable go to person for general responsiveness and I am extremely good at it and you mocking me for it makes me feel sorry for you and has zero impact on me.

u/WagonBashers wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

Lol. I honestly can't believe anything they say. I think this is all a PR attempt from their side.

u/michaelnovati replied · · edited
There is an organized effort with staff and alumni to change the tone on this subreddit about Codemsith out of concern that it's not as positive as it was before and is inspiring enrollment. So it could be, but no idea who is involved with that and who is a regular user.

u/Status-Remove559 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

You are not a victim, you are an enabler and contributor of a toxic environment on here.

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Codesmith people think this sub has become "toxic" becuase it's not full of positive posts about Codesmith. The CIRR results finally showed the cause of this and it's that there is an unprecedented drop in placement rates - and we haven't seen 2023 data yet - and a unprecedented spike in ghosting. The market is bad. Do you think all those people not getting placed and dropping out of the community are positive supporters? Or do you think they anonymously go to Reddit and complain or generally have a sour attitude. I push people to present evidence and facts and thoughtful opinions. You can agree and disagree but it doesn't have to be done through anonymous accounts, insults and flippant personal attacks. Anything I say on here I would say directly to Will and Eric K to their faces. Y'all using anonymous accounts to attack me and people using anonymous accounts to attack Codesmith are all behaviors I do not condone nor do I enable or contribute to.

u/Status-Remove559 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

Um, when did I say anything about Codesmith? Why do you make EVERYTHING about Codesmith? I ain't know anything about them, or have anything to do them. I'm just sitting here in my silly little corner getting bored at your constant hyper focus on this. Whenever people raise ques

u/michaelnovati replied · · edited ★ FEATURED
You can give me feedback in a nicer or more direct way instead of being passive aggressive on a thread about Codesmith involving other people personally attacking me who are affiliated with Codesmith. You think that's great behavior, and my constant reasonable, fact-based comments and thoughtful opinions are toxic...

u/Several_Top1693 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

Well, I can only speak for myself. As a Codesmith alum, I have heard nothing like what you are suggesting. I do know that many Codesmith alum like me are proud of our experience and where we are today, are happy to share that and stay connected to our community. the world is bigg

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Yeah I can't share much because people send me stuff in confidence, and since I can't share the evidence, you can't value that statement either, so I understand. I don't know what's happened since the CIRR stuff came out but lots of accounts came out of nowhere that were a lot meaner. Until the recent changes Codesmith underwent, I recommended it to a lot of people 1-1 for whom it was a good fit, and I'm pretty sure that some of their leaders know that. I still talk to those students while they are in Codesmith and then afterwards. It's not so cut and dry, and I wish the people jumping straight to attacks would give me more wiggle room to present both sides. I'm not perfect, but I'm very fair. I was invited to be a moderator because I'm seen as a disciplined, high integrity person who is very responsive.
u/michaelnovati replied · · edited
I turned on "crowd control" on several controversial posts. Do you know what "crowd control" does? "Collapse comments from people who haven’t joined your community, new Reddit users, and people with negative karma in your community" So it's very clear why you all are being collapsed, and complain to Reddit, not me.

u/Status-Remove559 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

OK, Donald Trump.

u/michaelnovati replied ·
My opinion is crowd control is doing it's job. If you want a larger voice in the community, join and have positive contributions over a long period of time. This isn't a place for new and/or sketchy accounts to troll. This is a feature Reddit built, it doesn't have dials and knobs to manipulate for specific users and I plan on activating it on any most where there is offtopic personal conversations involving new user accounts, so it can do it's job. I asked the other mods if they agree with this is or not and if they don't then I'll follow what we collectively decide.

u/Several_Top1693 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

Hahaha. Says the person who spends his entire day on this platform talking about Codesmith and marketing Formation (example Z above). People see right through it.

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I told you repeatedly that I don't spend much time on Reddit and you and other Codesmith alumni keep saying otherwise. I can PROVE how much time I spend on Reddit relatively to work so I'm giving you warning to back off and stop lying about it. You can talk about how you "perceive" me to spend all my time, but you can't make a factual statement like that that is not true, this is your warning, and I will consider further cases harassment.