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Does joining a coding boot camp for full-stack JS still make sense?

3 of Michael's comments in this thread · View thread on Reddit ↗

u/sheriffderek wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

I think that learning how to design and build digital solutions to problems is going to be timeless. Will a cursory overview of React and the condensed boot-camp style education get you there? It might give you some inspiration and get the juices flowing. But I think the longer a

u/michaelnovati replied ·
I would generalize this to: engineers solve problems and we aren’t running out of problems to solve. Whether code or AI or whatever is less relevant if you are an engineer. Now BOOTCAMPS teach people how to code more so than solve problems. And this is why bootcamps are so controversial and tied to outcomes. You aren’t learning anything long term in a bootcamp but you are learning just enough to try to get a job, and then your long future career will be steered by trends and changes, but will be stable as long as you are a problem solver.

u/hylasmaliki wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

How should we go about trying to solve problems?

u/michaelnovati replied ·
I think half of it is a personality trait. You probably have a tendency to fix things around where you live, tinker, build, organize, etc... Second is if you have that trait to some degree, then how do you apply it to programming rather than learning specific technologies or skills. So once you have a foundation you then want to target problems. e.g. How do I make an app to monitor my exercise? And then work backward from the problem and solve it. Rather than "I need to build a React project so let me think of what to build".

u/hylasmaliki wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

Thanks. So just building projects then?

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Yes. the hard part of building projects is building a startup-like project and not just toy projects for fun. Having real users and iterating and deploying something publicly that is used. Even the best bootcamps don't produce projects people use. Like Codesmith's OSP capstone projects, 90% are untouched or dead after the people graduate. The larger projects that have undergone many teams working on them, I struggle to find anyone actually using the project. All the GitHub stars are fake and farmed from the community. I tried using some of the big ones and found security problems and broken experiences and I really don't think these things are used. So you can see that just making a project that is a useful product, launching it and getting people to try it and then making iterations based on the feedback is already better than anything a $22,500 bootcamp gives you.