There is a lot of negatively directed towards the job market and not the bootcamps themselves IMO.
Chris from Launch School said it well, their outcomes in later 2023 will likely be lower than in the past, but the education is the same, the experience is the same, and the graduates have the same technical bar, it's the market that's changed.
The programs complained about the most were often complained about even in the good market.
I did an analysis of the 52 most recent Codesmith placements (which I might publish soon) and people are getting jobs! But that average person claimed their 3 week group project was 11.7 months of "experience" on their LinkedIn and the majority (about 2/3) claimed to have some kind of relevant past experience (systems engineer, developer, tech project manager, data analyst, etc...) so I'm sure people are still having great experiences, but clearly the bar to get a job right now is high.
u/_arjun wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
You’re not going to hear it here but many people have had great experiences. They just no longer have a need to be on this sub, and if they are they’ll just get downvoted and be called a liar.
u/michaelnovatireplied·· edited★ FEATURED
Like this: Codesmith is also hiring someone to manipulate Reddit full time: [https://codesmith.applytojob.com/apply/8cJdwgcb9g/Brand-Architect-And-Content-Lead](https://codesmith.applytojob.com/apply/8cJdwgcb9g/Brand-Architect-And-Content-Lead)
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\- Foster positive relationships with Codesmith enthusiasts and leverage advocates to amplify the brand message.
\- Proactively participate in discussions to influence the narrative around Codesmith.
\- Strong understanding of online community dynamics, with experience managing brand perception on platforms.
I'm sure as more grads are used to "amplify the brand message" and "influence the narrative".
An alternate proposal: I would stop being so suspicious of success posts about people with "no experience" making $130K, if they stopped looking the other way when 48 out of your 52 recent placements list their 3 week long OSP as an average of 11.7 months of "experience" (and even 75% of them were over 7 months!), 20% of them not disclosing it's open source or affiliated with OSLabs, and majority claiming years of past experience on LinkedIn. 🤷♂️
u/InTheDarkDancing wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Ironically you getting downvoted proves your point.
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
This doesn't inspire me to share, bootcamps manipulating discussion in this subreddit.
Job posting: [https://codesmith.applytojob.com/apply/8cJdwgcb9g/Brand-Architect-And-Content-Lead](https://codesmith.applytojob.com/apply/8cJdwgcb9g/Brand-Architect-And-Content-Lead)
>\- Foster positive relationships with Codesmith enthusiasts and leverage advocates to amplify the brand message.
\- Proactively participate in discussions to influence the narrative around Codesmith.
\- Strong understanding of online community dynamics, with experience managing brand perception on platforms.
u/InTheDarkDancing wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
A company hiring someone to manage their online presence isn't noteworthy.
u/michaelnovatireplied·· edited★ FEATURED
Yeah for sure, here's a job post from BloomTech (aka Lamba School): [https://jobs.lever.co/BloomTech/bc039ed3-2ba8-4e4f-a434-616f75ef667d](https://jobs.lever.co/BloomTech/bc039ed3-2ba8-4e4f-a434-616f75ef667d)
"You will be responsible for managing and executing various marketing campaigns across multiple channels to drive engagement, brand awareness, and customer acquisition"
"Implement and maintain marketing operations tools, platforms, and processes to streamline workflows, improve efficiency, and enhance campaign execution."
"Develop and execute multi-channel marketing campaigns across email, CRM, Facebook, and TikTok to achieve marketing goals and objectives."
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VS Codesmith:
"Foster positive relationships with Codesmith enthusiasts and leverage advocates to amplify the brand message."
"Proactively participate in discussions to influence the narrative around Codesmith"
"Strong understanding of online community dynamics, with experience managing brand perception on platforms"
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It might seem subtle, but these are completely different messages... one is talking about data driven marketing and proving effectiveness with data, the other is "influence the narrative" (DIRECT QUOTE!).
Comparing Codesmith to Lambda School shouldn't even be a conversation, that's how out of touch this job posting is, and maybe I'm be inappropriate calling it out so directly, but it helps explain the whole public "narrative" we see around Codesmith and where it comes from.