u/lawschoolredux wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
So I just looked into their outcomes PDF and it looks like they, like HR, don’t actually report recent graduate results, but rather just a number of hires and their average salary without saying when those who found work graduated?
u/michaelnovati replied · · edited ★ FEATURED
They pivoted to doing this because the next CIRR report for 2024 students will be out in April 2026 and they want to give some idea of what's going on, but their reports are very problematic to me.
Why?
CIRR reports account for people who graduate in a specific time window. 2023 report means people who graduated in 2023 and got offers.
The reports Codesmith is publishing are offers in a specific time window but from any cohort. Meaning people who got those 102 offers could have graduated in 2022, 2023, 2024, 2021 even.
For all you know many of them are 2022 grads who took 1.5 years to get a job?
I actually like salary lift as a metric but they are confusing things by providing these reports side by side with CIRR reports with completely different definitions.
I used to give more benefit of the doubt, but last year this time they were defending against word of mouth of reports of declining placements by referring to their 2022 CIRR report with 80% placement rate - and saying that 'we'll see when 2023 comes out officially'. But they already knew that 2023 six month placement rate was majorly declining and surprise-surprise - when 2023 finally came out in April 2025, we saw massive declines in six month placement rate. Like if they were were going to use CIRR rules as an excuse, that's valid, but then they need to take responsibility when the report does come out - and they never did.
It's similar to their website being down for three weeks and counting - no responsibility, blame someone else, etc... I wish I got 'blamed' so much for their record growth in 2022-2023 outpacing their peers (Rithm and Launch School) when I was saying the same old same old!