u/Gullible_Mousse_4590 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
So where can I find the published and verified data behind your claims? Looks like you’re doing the exact same thing then writing screeds of nonsense to try and attack someone who is doing the same as you. I say all of your companies claims are garbage. Where’s the independent pr
u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
We don't have zoomed out data as I've stated a number of times over the years extensively why.
We don't have a way to aggregate date into a consistent "report" that makes any sense and we won't want to spend time making a superficial one that we don't think is useful.
When you apply we show you anonymized before after data based on your background.
We don't have end dates, graduations, or "school" concepts and it's very hard to make some kind of report.
We explain our process in multiple paragraphs on our website.
It's INSANELY more costly for us to discuss outcomes 1-1 with each person that applies and is interested but we think it's the best way to make sure someone is on the same page and we will keep doing that for the Fellowship.
I wish we could have a report that was as effective and clear because it would save time and money.
It's not perfect but that's the transparent answer for why there's no report.
It's far worse to control shell charities with no income that fly under the radar that validate your outcomes for you when the integrity of the outcomes is questioned (LinkedIn verification being used for a double digit surge in outcomes and there being no clear LinkedIn process in the CIRR specification) is a lack of integrity by my definition. It results in the 'seal of approval' put on something that requires more thoughtful inquiry that people might overlook.
I've directly questioned about this and the only thing I was told was that 'LinkedIn verification excludes Open Source Projects to not accidentally count them as placements'. And when I asked if that means they are away that graduates are drastically exaggerating their LinkedIns if the team conducted such a review, no answer.
No integrity by my definition.
Maybe I shouldn't be stepping into how another company operates and keep my nose out of the business, but the level of bull shit I have documented is next level - it's literally like HBO mini series documentary level of a mess. Lots of people thought Nxivm was legit and their career courses were life changing. There were lots of good intentioned things in the career courses there and lots of lives changed positively.... and then lots of messed up stuff behind the scenes that went off the rails. To be abundantly clear, I'm not saying the Codesmith has the same issues in any way whatsoever as Nxivm but I'm pointing out the polarization over Codesmith is at a crazy high level that is fascinating to me and very interesting to study.