u/BeneficialBass7700 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
to be fair though, how much of codesmith's downfall do you think is due to their "selling of their souls" catching up to them vs. the market just fundamentally shifting in a way that wiped the entire bootcamp industry out? I'm sure those individuals who "sold their souls" are sti
u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I believe that when an engineer is working on something and it "just works" without knowing why - some day you will have to understand why. Maybe not right away but some day in the future.
Similarly I believe that about integrity. Integrity doesn't mean being nice or friendly or a good leader or friend. Integrity means acting honestly, transparently, and with good faith towards others.
If you lack integrity and lie to one or more people to get a job, it's going to catch up with you and you will have to pay the price some day.
In Codesmith's case they never taught anything technical of value. All of the teachers and instructors are former students who follow a script and don't have any / much real engineering experience. They lie about the nature of that work. A lead instructor who claims to be a senior engiee= at Codesmith has hardly any commits on GitHub because they are actually a teacher and not an engineer and never worked as an engineer.
Not everyone sells their soul and those people might take longer to find jobs and might take lower paying first jobs, but they will do fine.
The people that lie - I've spoken to and even worked directly with many.
What you have is paranoia, layoffs, job hopping, stress, in your future. The lie only begins when you get the job, keeping the lie going is even harder.
People break down. Some leave the industry.
Some of these people didn't see this after a year and thought the lie was worth it, two years, three years, and the more time goes on, the more my DMs fill up with "you are right".
People lied to get that $140K first job but they realize they should have taken a $90K job without lying and gotten to the $140K job in just two years - a small blip in the bigger picture.
I've been telling this to Codesmith staff for years and they don't believe me. So many layoffs and departures (most of the staff) and those people agree with me now.... the most stubborn of them left will come around when they leave too, but probably because Codesmith shuts down.