u/sheriffderek wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I think if you anyone expects anything (A school, a contact, a boot camp, a book, a course) -- to "*get them a job*" - then they don't really understand how life - and education, and experience - and "Getting jobs" works. This isn't HVAC training. I've never told anyone to "go to
u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
If that's not the case then maybe bootcamps shouldn't put hiring stats in their prime hero spots.
I just just checked and Codesmith, Hack Reactor, Tripe Ten, Tech Elevator, General Assembly, all have placement or salary info in the hero banner on the homepage.
Fullstack doesn't.
I was in the camp of people need to think about this as paying for school and not paying for a job. When the market crashed and many programs had layoffs and staff reduction it became absolutely absurd to pay $20K for this stuff.
Like at Codesmith now after their cut backs, you pay $22.5K and your cohort has 1 lead instructor with no/little experience, 1-3 mentors who are former graduates of Codesmith with no experience who were TAs that stayed full time as mentors, and then a bunch of fellows/TAs etc... who are part time recent graduates who haven't placed yet or recent graduates who mentor here and there.
If a cohort has 20 people = $450K X 7 cohorts a year = $3.15M and what, like 4 full time staff 100% dedicated to the cohort + corporate overhead.
Like these things are still rolling in money if they can just get people to show up. Once you show up they get paid and outcomes don't matter.
They die if outcomes die and no one believes it works anymore. And outcomes just died.
This is why places like Triple Ten and Codesmith have to market the hell out of their outcomes and present this facade that outcomes are incredible, that you can be next, etc....
If people don't believe the outcome is possible the program is completely toast.
It's sad but the way it is :(