u/HidingImmortal wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
> NOT EVEN A JUNIOR LEVEL ROLE! Just to be clear, you had the expectation that you would be suited for a senior position after doing a bootcamp and no other experience? Junior level engineers are typically hired from a college. That is to say they did a four year program in C
u/michaelnovati replied · DELETED · archived copy ★ FEATURED
Don't get me started on this because I've been hounding them for literally years on this and it's been happening since 2019 https://www.reddit.com/r/TechLA/comments/b7xl98/codesmith_coding_bootcamp_scam_beware/
Every time I significantly push back you'll see like a blog post about someone who got a senior job right out of Codesmith, and they just adamantly adamantly believe this to the bitter end.
So I don't think they are lying but instead are delusional.
No leader there has a STEM degree, and no leader has been an engineer ever either in industry.
Enough people for $130K jobs in the past they made them believe they and the secret formula to creating mid level and senior engineers out of s bootcamp that it became their identity.
When your identity is attacked, you often defend completely irrationally.
There are a handful of people that have gotten those jobs. and then when you zoom into them and look at their careers over many years
1. about a third of those people like switched out of SWE or switched company shortly after because they got the job under false pretenses and it probably wasn't the right fit. even if they voluntarily left that job, they're transitioning way too fast and it's clear that this was not the dream job that is portrayed as.
2. there's another bucket of people, ive talked to who knowingly stretched the truth to get the Job and then are trying to secretly put in like 80-hour weeks without their company realizing it to catch up and fill in the gaps. someone in this bucket said that they felt like they were less good than a lower level calling that was hired the same week as them etc. so these people also didn't deserve the jobs but have the grit and aptitude to survive, at least for a while constantly fearing being fired. and
3. there's a group of people that had relevant other experience. maybe they went to an ivy League school and built a lot of networking and social skills and then worked in mechanical engineering for 5 years and they were able to transition a lot of the non- programming skills to get some kind of mid-level or senior job as a programmer at a company that valued their previous experience.
4. the final group of people are people who get like entry level. talk to your jobs that pay more than mid-level non tech company jobs that codesmith calls senior jobs even though they are entry level. an example here is someone at Google. got an entry level job and the HR level is called l3 even though that is Google's entry level and the person thought that they were a level 3 engineer which was senior because level one would be Junior level two would be mid and three would be senior. but this is just how Google's HR system works to normalize the number across non-technical disciplines and has nothing to do with it.