The Present and Future of the Turing School

My 2 cents is relative outcomes are important and as long as a bootcamp is consistent in it's measurement and explains the trends then we're good. It's not good if see something like Codesmith where they change the goal posts (e.g. 12 month placements instead of 6 months - conveniently changing in a terrible market when their placement rate tanked) and trying to post metrics and numbers that look good, while insulting you by calling it rigorous transparency - that's scam behavior. I expect Turing to continue to publish the numbers they have been and explaining the trends proactively. I don't think Turing's recent struggles have been hidden or misleading anyone. I would push on what 'market turning around a little bit in 2025' means. I'm not seeing anything turn around for entry level roles and there are two possibilities: 1. The partnerships they are making are helping some people get placed here and there and there are enough to add up to impact the overall placement rate. 2. People are taking different kinds of jobs. You can achieve a placement rate through #2 with a lot of sketchy twists - like Codesmith's ghosting placement count spiking to 65% of "placements" in 2023 - meaning the majority of alumni disappeared but counted as a placement from their LinkedIn, and without providing an explanation for why this spike happened. Like Jeff said above, if more people got temp jobs in 2023 than 2022 and they count as a placement based on the rules they follow, then it doesn't tell the whole picture either.