u/BigCardiologist3733 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
130k is still really good when ur avg state school has a med of 80k. could you tell me more about point 4 please?
u/michaelnovati replied · · edited
Yeah talk to some Engineers that worked at these companies in the mid-2010s.
basically when you have Engineers being paid like $500,000 a year. doing an interview is very costly
The mentors and recruiters who are working with the boot camp would try to pick candidates who they think had the best shot but maybe they had a number of slots like 10 slots for interviews and they would try to choose the 10 people most likely to be qualified.
and then other Engineers would actually conduct the interviews, without really knowing much context or also would create bias.
but what happened was that the people did so poorly on the interviews there are complaints about where the candidates came from and complaints that they shouldn't have made it to the first round technical interview which looks really bad on the recruiters because the recruiters passed through some people who then wasted engineer time.
when these complaints got escalated to like recruiting managers and directors, it really puts a lot of pressure to make sure that if this program ever continued that the next candidates would be stronger.
so in some cases the companies just abandoned the relationships and gave up and in some cases they kept going but put more pressure on the recruiters to make sure that people are qualified.
there's a lot of pressure on companies legally to have fair processes that don't have any biases.
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there were a handful of people I think like three or something that actually did pass and I don't want to go into all the specifics, but it wasn't like widely known that those people were boot, camp grads, and generally speaking they also struggled more to ramp up.
it took some of the people much longer and I think they're doing really well today like 10 years later, but that slower ramp up was one of the pieces of evidence that led to the apprenticeship programs in the later stages above.
the realization that bootcamp grads aren't remotely ready to work at top tier companies, but their drive and vision and determination made them stand out with a lot of potential, so these apprenticeship programs could maybe help nurture that into being actually qualified.
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the ultimate realization is that no matter what someone's capacities are or potential is big tech companies can't hire people for potential. they have to hire people that are qualified for the job and have a lot of potential and the boot camp rads were just unanimously not qualified for the job and they could not be given it regardless of the latter.