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u/BigCardiologist3733 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

not to mention that the bootcamps had pipelines with big tech under DEI, they bragged about putting tons of people at FAANG

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I don't disagree at all that some people from bootcamps had good outcomes but I also strongly believe this view is why in the past 3 years people ran to bootcamps as a magical path to get a $100K+ job in 12 weeks that was very much not the case. Take Codesmith for example, which in 2021 had a median $130K salary or something. Out of thousands of graduates ever, something like 100 placed at the canonical FAANG companies. Almost all of the Meta placements were contractors who left within a year. So historically what happened was this (I was there and this is what Is saw): 1. Big tech wants to source more broadly to have more diverse candidates than just MIT and Stanford grads 2. Big tech looked at local bootcamps in Silicon Valley - Hack Reactor, App Academy, and Hackbright are three big ones. 3. Big tech made relationships, sending engineers as mentors and paying to get first crack at candidates. 4. Engineers interviewing the people got upset because almost no one was qualified. 5. Companies shutoff the pipelines and stopped recruiting from bootcamps. 6. Some companies setup apprenticeship programs (LinkedIn, Pinterest, Airbnb, Microsoft, for example) and these programs took bootcamp grads 7. These programs were like 8 to 12 months internships that aimed to convert full time. And they did convert ok. Not amazing, but reasonably well to justify continuing the program. 8. The 2023 layoffs crushed a lot of recruiters and DEI program managers and these programs significantly shrunk. 9. As hiring resumes in 2024-25, the new government's stance on DEI resulted in 2/3 of these programs not coming back, and only a few remain - and in much more limited form.