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Coding bootcamps in San Francisco with IRL component?

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u/Aromatic-Dog-1498 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

Thanks again for the detailed feedback. Totally makes sense with why you have a real pulse on the bootcamps. Helpful to hear that with the bootcamp pressure cooker environment. I have info calls with four bootcamps the next few days (GA, Hack React, Codesmith, AA). Given your

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Honestly out of those ones Codesmith is still probably the best if you are entrepreneurial. Recent students and grads have reported that the bar has dropped from the past for technical skills, but it's high on communication and people tend to be driven achievers who go there. For all of the mess I mentioned, former employees describe it as even a mess internally during the peak times that was never run like a "real company" (reference from employee), and ultimately I think they try to produce a consistent experience for you the student. It's a very uniquely weird one of all the others (which are more similar to each other)... it has a "cult-like following" (not in the religious sense, but colloquially). People who go in skeptical, tend to see it for what it looks like under the hood and feel like it's overpriced, the instructors almost all have no SWE experience, lots of superficial stuff, 'trust me, the 3 week project DID MAKE YOU A MID LEVEL ENGINEER', it's not imposter syndrome", like stuff that is like really sketchy. BUT if you have lower self confidence and you fully drunk the koolaid then the atmosphere TRULY helps you build self confidence. But again, absurdly controversial. A number of those people that "drank the koolaid" years ago I have chatted with to various degrees years later and the perspectives have changed. Some full out hate Codesmith after they get more industry perspective and have done a 180 degree spin on that. Some have closed the book and said it was a means to an ends and they have moved on. Some still strongly support it for the 'life changing impact' it CAN have, but do so cautiously and don't want to mislead the masses than just anyone can show up and do that - whereas a few years ago their tone was more along those lines.