u/CountryBoyDeveloper wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Lmao I have to block o many Launch School students because they just can't handle anything negative being said, you can clearly say "the school does not suck, and has a great curriculum, but I don't like this part" and they fixate on the "I don't like this part' and will argue wi
u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Yeah It's very intense community, I think because they spend so long in the ecosystem and then they see it working so they believe. Codesmith is a similar kind of community. It's extremely powerful when the results are really good, but then the community will fall apart when the results are not good and ultimately it's what the graduates see in their own cohorts and their previous cohorts and how the company explains that to them and presents themselves.
Launch school's outcomes have gone down a little bit, but the way that the team has explained it has maintained trust with the students.
Codesmith is losing their students right now from the people that I talk to who are either current or recent alumni and people aren't buying the message. They have no visibility into outcomes and are judging based on their cohort and the previous cohort they work with.
Ironically the Codesmith CEO told me in a public session that I have single-handedly undermined their community and that's insane because their poor 2023 and 2024 outcomes and students feeling like it's being covered up have undermined their community... I hear it directly from students.
Since Reddit recently purged all of the fake accounts (about a dozen, including two moderators of their sub) that were pro codesmith and going after me and making up stuff that wasn't true. there hasn't been any controversial codesmith discussions.