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Are bootcamps still a thing in 2024?

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u/duchessviolet wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

Thank you so much for the detailed response, much appreciated! Just one more follow up question though, what bucket would you put App Academy in right now? Could you share your views about their current trajectory?

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
So the way I see it, again this is my personal opinon and I don't have any formal relationships with any bootcamps, is that the smaller, founder-led programs: Rithm, Launch School, Codesmith, some others, tend to be smaller, higher bar to get in, more expensive, and a lot of positive qualities. App Academy and Hack Reactor fall in the more "big business" bucket of companies that are run like real companies. With that comes some amount of accountability in that they have legit lawyers to review stuff, career professionals doing finance, HR, etc... With that though you lose some of the personal touch of the founders. I'm currently not recommending Codesmith because they appear to me to be imploding. Bunch of pro-Codesmith accounts, including two moderators of their sub, got suspended from Reddit, a couple more staff left, they are going all in on "the modern engineer" and losing focus. I think they are living in a fantasy land in their heads that's a little too abstract for what's needed right now - on the ground excellence and industry experience to help you navigate. All of this aside, the common thread to success is YOU THE STUDENT. The tough market has shown us that a bootcamp can only do so much and that the strong outcomes in the good market were more a testament to you and the high bar of acceptance, and not the bootcamp itself. That's not to say bootcamps do nothing, it's just that they contribute a PIECE OF THE PIE AND NOT THE WHOLE PIE. Another reason I'm not recommending Codesmith right now is they are not acknowledging this, and making up a story about the "modern engineer" to justify their tanking outcomes, instead of listening to their employees and getting feedback and actioning it. Of all the bootcamp founders speaking publicly I think Chris at Launch School and Elie at Rithm have been the most transparent about the market and what they can and can't do.